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Sir Charles said:

If you want damage in GT5, the race will end as soon as you crash - which is what happens in real life.

Exactly, dont crash. Try that game and dont crash, you will go slower, you'll post a real time, the same as you should get. Even then there is no wear. Its just not sim but there damage system is coming and Im stoked. You will have to stay off the walls and other cars if you want to win. And trust me on this one, you wont be able to win with 1 wheel gone in GRID. Codemasters has never allowed that.

I had many hours of fun in DIRT, but Karma, could you imagine the fun online with buddies racing those staduim trucks or buggys. Hell, any of the multi-car races included in that game with friends would have been a rukos good time.

AMEN to Sotracer, where the heck is my console sim. I love sim even though I also love to have a good time racing a semi arcade racer that does so well with pack racing and includes fantastic AI that battles. LOVE IT LOL. I miss the original TOCA though.