The Wii was a fake at E3

[n2pizza]

i have this electronic gaming issue and they interviewed a devoper from nentendo and he said the grapics from the cube and the wii are not that different .he said zelda looks better an the cube then on the wii.

[Dizz]

Originally Posted by MH_prophet

Here's the thing. At E3 '05, Sony attempted to pass off CG footage as gameplay. Now, people find out the Wii games were on GC dev kits, they're acting like it's the same thing. It's not. I mean, did Nintendo ever even say the games were running on Wii hardware?

Edit: Hell, it appears all this fuss was probably over nothing. http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=6864

Well if you went to E3 in 06 then you would know that Sony's games where impressive. they looked like 2nd gen 360 games (some) and they are not even out yet. i seen a video of red steel at ubisofts booth and i did not look good at all. i mean i know graphics dont matter to some people but to me it adds more realism. And about your statement as far as the Wii hardware, i would think that if you go to try out a wii game that it would be running on wii hardware regardless if they say it or not.

[Grindstone]

It wouldn't matter if the Wii was in fact, a GC at E3. We've all heard it; the Wii is a suped-up Xbox. Well, that basically means the Wii is a suped-up GC as well. The architecture between the two is probably very similar, especially if you are able to use a GC controller for the Wii.

Non-issue. You'll get what you pay for -- a suped-up last gen console.

[Eothein]

/me remembers E3 2005 when Xbox 360 games were played on Apple computers.

And also Metroid Prime 3 was running on a real Wii console.

Despite them using Dev kits (most Devs have only got their hands on real Wii kits now after working on Gameucbe powered kits and not to mention most games at E3 were running on dev kits for all 3 consoles) the games were fully feldged titles that stil attracted alot of attention, alot more attention then 360 or PS3.

"Non-issue. You'll get what you pay for -- a suped-up last gen console."
That is a more acurate desciption of the 360 and PS3 at the moment

[Don_Rico]

Originally Posted by Eothein

That is a more acurate desciption of the 360 and PS3 at the moment

Really now, are you serious? The last generation consoles can't even compare with the specifications of the Xbox 360 and the PS3, but the Wii has about the same specifications as the first Xbox. And that is what Grind is saying.

[Eothein]

Originally Posted by Don_Rico

Really now, are you serious? The last generation consoles can't even compare with the specifications of the Xbox 360 and the PS3, but the Wii has about the same specifications as the first Xbox. And that is what Grind is saying.

Hell yeah! I am serious the 360 is simply the Xbox plus better graphics, its souped up.

[Don_Rico]

Originally Posted by Eothein

Hell yeah! I am serious the 360 is simply the Xbox plus better graphics, its souped up.

No, it does not have better graphics, unless you paint your 360 or something. It has better hardware than the original Xbox, and that improves the possibility of better graphics in the games. And why do you think it's souped up?

[Jeet]

it has a faster processer, faster gpu, more ram, more hd space
what he's trying to say is that the Wii is actually very different than the other 2 in terms of gameplay

[owninglegend]

Edit mistake.

[Superior Grant]

Originally Posted by n2pizza

i have this electronic gaming issue and they interviewed a devoper from nentendo and he said the grapics from the cube and the wii are not that different .he said zelda looks better an the cube then on the wii.

i highly doubt that, since though theres not a big jump, the wii graphics are better than the GCs - and ive not seen this comment anywhere

Originally Posted by Don_Rico

Really now, are you serious? The last generation consoles can't even compare with the specifications of the Xbox 360 and the PS3, but the Wii has about the same specifications as the first Xbox. And that is what Grind is saying.

but its not just about specs!
essentially, the 360 and PS3 are suped up last gen consoles. the games are basically the same, but with graphical improvements and the like.
the wii is far more than a graphical upgrade

SNES era to N64/PS1 era was 2D to 3D
PS1 era to xbox/PS2 era was fully 3D and online gameplay
PS2/xbox era to 360/PS3 era is souped up fully 3D and souped up online

but the wii is a new direction - id call that a lot more than "souped up"

[Jay2984]

All the next-gen consoles have there pros and cons. We all know the 360 is a great machine with descent games but were still waiting for the games that blow us away graphically and gameplay wise. The jury is still out with the PS3 and Wii, but what we have seen so far the Wii isnt about the killer graphics its about sending gaming in a new direction gameplay wise and keeping the price of the console down for the average gamer. Once the Wii is released Im sure we will all be very happy with what is offered.

[FordGTGuy]

this is pretty dumb,

360 isn't a souped up xbox 1 it doesn't make sense at all.

BTW

PS2/Xbox era to 360/PS3 is Standard to High-Definition gaming.

[Grindstone]

Hmm, seems like a semanitcs battle using opinion for fuel.

I wouldn't call the 360 nor the PS3 a suped up next gen console, because clearly the Wii wouldn't fit into that category of being "suped up" if these other two were in that category (if, for example, the 88Mb of RAM is correct, then both the PS3 and 360 have almost 6 times as much RAM than the Wii).

Both of the juggarnuat consoles are offering more than the previous consoles. In retrospect, what was the differnce between the NES up to the GC? Each was just an improvement over the last, but offered no other real improvement aside from graphical and processing power. In contrast, the Wii is finally taking a step toward gameplay innovation, but the fact of the matter is that it is a very minor step up for the GC in terms of graphical and processing power. Still, a welcomed event. Ergo, it is a suped up Xbox or GC.

The other two are offering a lot more than their previous consoles with ample features that go well beyond what consoles have been expected to do thus far. Most of which I really could care less, as I buy consoles to play games. But, to call these two consoles just "suped up" versions of their predecessors when the Wii is supposedly under that title is a faux pas.

I would be weary to label the Wii just yet, however, as they have said themselves they are going in a different direction. Whether that dierction is the right direction remains to be seen.

[Superior Grant]

Originally Posted by Grindstone

Hmm, seems like a semanitcs battle using opinion for fuel.

I wouldn't call the 360 nor the PS3 a suped up next gen console, because clearly the Wii wouldn't fit into that category of being "suped up" if these other two were in that category (if, for example, the 88Mb of RAM is correct, then both the PS3 and 360 have almost 6 times as much RAM than the Wii).

Both of the juggarnuat consoles are offering more than the previous consoles. In retrospect, what was the differnce between the NES up to the GC? Each was just an improvement over the last, but offered no other real improvement aside from graphical and processing power. In contrast, the Wii is finally taking a step toward gameplay innovation, but the fact of the matter is that it is a very minor step up for the GC in terms of graphical and processing power. Still, a welcomed event. Ergo, it is a suped up Xbox or GC.

The other two are offering a lot more than their previous consoles with ample features that go well beyond what consoles have been expected to do thus far. Most of which I really could care less, as I buy consoles to play games. But, to call these two consoles just "suped up" versions of their predecessors when the Wii is supposedly under that title is a faux pas.

I would be weary to label the Wii just yet, however, as they have said themselves they are going in a different direction. Whether that dierction is the right direction remains to be seen.

i wouldnt call any just "souped up" but i beleive the wii is farthest from that title. you seem to base this statement on graphics, but i wouldnt.

the wii will have much more of a affect on games therefore i dont see how it can be a called a "souped up xbox/gc" yeah the graphics may be LESS of an improvement compared to the other 2 - but why is the statement based on the graphics?

[Grindstone]

I suppose, Acquiesce, that the problem we are having here is a failure to communicate. Obviously in your opinion you have the Wii not as a suped-up console from the older generation, but as something else that has not yet labeled nor explained by you (i.e., you are welcome to explain the "wii is far more than a graphical update" comment along with the "wii is farthest from that title" one too).

In my last post, I stated why the Wii couldn't be a "suped up" console if the PS3 and 360 were "suped up" consoles as they are too different to be in the same catergory.

The term that we are using that the Wii is a suped up Xbox or GC is not ours, actually, that comes from developers working with the dev kits [reference available upon request]. If you look at my comments with a little more depth, you'll note that the history of consoles was based on improving graphics from one generation to the next, along with processing power. I think that is why you bought up my arguments about graphics, when in fact, I was offering a synopsis on console improvements. The capstone of that synopsis was the following:

In contrast, the Wii is finally taking a step toward gameplay innovation, but the fact of the matter is that it is a very minor step up *for the GC in terms of graphical and processing power. Still, a welcomed event.

*should be 'from', not 'for'.

Wow. I give kudos to Nintendo for their new approach, but reproach them for under-powering the machine on both graphics and processing power. I guess you glossed over that portion. Oh well.

Even if I were talking strictly about graphics, it is all too well known by now that the Wii will not be competing with the other two consoles on that level. But graphics are still very important -- to some, it is the most important! Obviously Nintendo is trying to capitalize on gameplay, since they cannot compete on the graphical nor processing level with the supposed system specs we have on the Wii, versus those of the other two.

By the way, how did you come to this conclusion:

the wii will have much more of a affect on games [...]

Have you been to the future? Though I guess you could have meant that the Wii will have a more negative effect too. Under interpretation I suupose...

The scary thing is that if the Wiimote is successful, you know Msoft and Sony will copy and paste it. Then the Wii will be up a creek, because it's two competitors will have better consoles and will be able to push the envelope with this tech whereas the Wii will be too under-powered to compete anymore. I guess we shall see (unless you know already, if so, please post about it).

[Shotty]

Well you can use the work souped up for everything. A 2006 civic is just a souped up 1990 civic. A G5 mac is just a souped up G4 mac. A ps3/xbox 360 is just a souped up ps2/xbox. A HDTV is just a souped up standard TV. As you can see "souped up" is pretty vauge. The extra power the xbox 360 has doesn't just mean prettier graphics. It also allows for more realistic physics, way bigger environments (think Oblivion and Crackdown), better sound, more feature packed online experience and the obvious boast of pixels on the screen which never happened in any other console in the history of gaming since they all ran on native 640 x 480 while the 360 goes up to 1920 x 1080. Also the wii doesn't have a built in ethenet port but I believe it has built in wifi. The ethernet port is an add-on and has to be purchased seperately. I wonder whose idea that was.

[citizen X]

Originally Posted by Dizz

Well if you went to E3 in 06 then you would know that Sony's games where impressive. they looked like 2nd gen 360 games (some) and they are not even out yet. i seen a video of red steel at ubisofts booth and i did not look good at all. i mean i know graphics dont matter to some people but to me it adds more realism. And about your statement as far as the Wii hardware, i would think that if you go to try out a wii game that it would be running on wii hardware regardless if they say it or not.

thats very true..some..but keep in mind sony had the same amount of time to work on there first gen games as ms did for the 2nd gen..thats what u get for coming out first..but i still dont think the PS3 has anything better then what 360 has..its all in do time

[Superior Grant]

Originally Posted by Grindstone

I suppose, Acquiesce, that the problem we are having here is a failure to communicate. Obviously in your opinion you have the Wii not as a suped-up console from the older generation, but as something else that has not yet labeled nor explained by you (i.e., you are welcome to explain the "wii is far more than a graphical update" comment along with the "wii is farthest from that title" one too).

In my last post, I stated why the Wii couldn't be a "suped up" console if the PS3 and 360 were "suped up" consoles as they are too different to be in the same catergory.

The term that we are using that the Wii is a suped up Xbox or GC is not ours, actually, that comes from developers working with the dev kits [reference available upon request]. If you look at my comments with a little more depth, you'll note that the history of consoles was based on improving graphics from one generation to the next, along with processing power. I think that is why you bought up my arguments about graphics, when in fact, I was offering a synopsis on console improvements. The capstone of that synopsis was the following:



*should be 'from', not 'for'.

Wow. I give kudos to Nintendo for their new approach, but reproach them for under-powering the machine on both graphics and processing power. I guess you glossed over that portion. Oh well.

Even if I were talking strictly about graphics, it is all too well known by now that the Wii will not be competing with the other two consoles on that level. But graphics are still very important -- to some, it is the most important! Obviously Nintendo is trying to capitalize on gameplay, since they cannot compete on the graphical nor processing level with the supposed system specs we have on the Wii, versus those of the other two.

By the way, how did you come to this conclusion:



Have you been to the future? Though I guess you could have meant that the Wii will have a more negative effect too. Under interpretation I suupose...

The scary thing is that if the Wiimote is successful, you know Msoft and Sony will copy and paste it. Then the Wii will be up a creek, because it's two competitors will have better consoles and will be able to push the envelope with this tech whereas the Wii will be too under-powered to compete anymore. I guess we shall see (unless you know already, if so, please post about it).

i would define souped up as an improvement of an already present aspect. i.e. more polygons. wii is a totally new control method.
nintendo are 'breaking the mould'. while i enjoy my 360, its no different to the last gen. its the same. but with souped up graphics.

and of course the wii will have more of an effect on games than the 360. you dont have to see into the future to see that, you just have to be able to see 2 feet in front of you.

yes, it could fail. but its still tried something totally new, unthought of by rivals and the fact sony have knicked part of it, shows its already having a significant impact on games!

yes, 360 has developed the online side, but it was an inevitable step, that would have been done by sony had m/s not.

people here seem to see a jump in generation has to be a graphical improvement. well it has been, but it doesnt have to be. you define wii (you, ive not heard developers say it) as a souped up GC, because it is making a change that you're not used to.
instead of improving all ready present aspects, wii is bringing new ones to the table which is thus contradictory to the term 'souped up' for me.

i havent enjoyed 360 at all more because of it's graphics (i still play GC and PS2 with as much pleasure) so i dont see why i'll enjoy wii less than ps3/360 because it has improved, but not as improved graphics.

theyre hardly going to divert from quality gameplay are they? http://uk.media.revolution.ign.com/m...89/vids_1.html

the GC and Xbox had considerably better graphics than PS2 but it never took anything away from quality PS2 games, for me anyway.

i doubt ive got much chance of getting through on a 360 focused forum though.

[Grindstone]

Well, at least you finally explained your position on the Wii.

The Xbox 360 is more than a suped up Xbox: just the other day I presented a slide show to my family on my TV through the 360 of the photos on our digital camera. Then I had a private chat with a college buddy I hadn't seen in a few months on the 360. Not to mention the TiVo functio