Callin' if any all trance, techno, jungle, house, dnb, electronica music fans

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

what the thread says
^-^

i'm hopin to see some electronica dance music fans! =D
:hello:

personally i enjoy and love all sub-genres of electronica, but TRANCE is a HERO =)
I usually go for ones with vocals tho. Armin van Buuren is my fav dj! ^-^

[Don_Rico]

Hate 'em all.

Or well, if you consider Nine Inch Nails industrial, then I like industrial.

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

do you like to dance?

and yes NIN is considered Industrial

[Scotracer]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It isn't made by musicians, therefore it isn't music :)

I hate them all. Die dance, die!

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It isn't made by musicians, therefore it isn't music :)

I hate them all. Die dance, die!

Its art and it is a form of music DUMBASS! :2in1:
They are musicians, some in form of bands, some MCers, some DJs, but most importantly artists!

[Don_Rico]

I agree with Scott, Dance is a retarded "genre", and shouldn't be considered music.

[Scotracer]

If remixing someone elses song, by adding a generic bass rythem is classed as "art" in your book, I may aswell go and record the sounds of workshop and class it as a "scratched" tune.

You do not need any musical talent, either. My "friend" likes to make his own dance songs by using computer software and hes' the most music illiterate person I've ever met.

Remixing someone elses song DOESN'T create a new song.

YouTube - Scooter - The Logical Song (Live - TOTP UK 2002-06-21) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3r-xCny8k)

Art, eh?

[no anaesthesia]

ler's see i think i've actually witnessed better sounding cow slaughterings than anything produced by the techno genre...how can you call anything music that has no real instrument involved....unless you count a mouse as an instrument...

ps Welcome to the planet and all that

[Grindstone]

Wow, a harsh welcome to a new member.

I'll go industrial for $200, please.

[Gee]

Their not exactly new when they joined Sep 2005

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

Damn...ya I guess we're all entitled to an opinion.
I guess I shouldn't expect such responses from this gaming community, but ey **** happens.

But I'm not talkin bout techno, I'm talkin bout edm

[remixFA]

some industrial is fine when im feeling the need to scratch at the walls or shoot heroine.. but other than that
"REMIX'S DISCOUNT CRACK SALES does not indorse heroine use... without our "disease free" needles!"

[Grindstone]

Their not exactly new when they joined Sep 2005

Hmm, you do have an obvious point that I seem to have glossed over. Interestingly enough, she predates the commentators... The more you know.

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

lol. I guess ya can say I haven't been to this site or forums for a few years ;P

[Glock 19]

My vote is for none also never liked that kind of music.

[Pepper Jack]

shutup scott, if its musical notes its music no matter what you use to make it, just because its not the sound of an F1 engine revving up doesnt mean its not music

and i vote for jungle, hence the name

[Spartan1127]

I love electronic. It really gets me pumped up. i like music like the song from Bodyrox.

[mega_hertz_99]

Prodigy on the dance end, Boards of Canada for those mellow moments.

[Kona Palangi]

Real DJ'ing takes serious skill. People like Funk Master Flex And DJ Green Lantern kill on the one's and two's. It's easy to knock it when you have never tried to do it.

[shane32Eire]

The problem is Scott and Don dont get out much so they dont go to clubs and enjoy a bit of the ol'dance genre, its great craic.

And i voted trance, but i like abit of the ol' techno techno.

Also prodigy are class.

[mega_hertz_99]

If remixing someone elses song, by adding a generic bass rythem is classed as "art" in your book, I may aswell go and record the sounds of workshop and class it as a "scratched" tune.

You do not need any musical talent, either. My "friend" likes to make his own dance songs by using computer software and hes' the most music illiterate person I've ever met.

Remixing someone elses song DOESN'T create a new song.

YouTube - Scooter - The Logical Song (Live - TOTP UK 2002-06-21) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3r-xCny8k)

Art, eh?

The Art of Noise has been making music out of random sounds for years and they are some of the most talented musicians around...

[IIJoshIII]

Techno OWNZ!! GWUAHAHAHAHAHA, all people who want to flame me can pound sand! BWUAHAHAHHAHA! Technoooooo FTW!

[Blank]

I personally love drum n bass.

Can't wait until I get my subs for my car, playing Pendulum full blast :D

[BossCheese]

Hey gamergirl, is that your picture in your sig with someone's hand on your boobie? Shame, shame....or is that a picture of "art".

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

Hey gamergirl, is that your picture in your sig with someone's hand on your boobie? Shame, shame....or is that a picture of "art".

damn lol its fantasy art by luis royo :boxing:

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

I personally love drum n bass.

Can't wait until I get my subs for my car, playing Pendulum full blast :D

mmmnnn....yes sum Pendulum and Aphrodite baby! :lollypop:

[Kona Palangi]

Hey gamergirl, is that your picture in your sig with someone's hand on your boobie?

Ah for a minute there I thought she was throwin' up the Stinky Pinky. Stink Pink is kinda overrated anyway. Just don't eat food afterwards. And Blank, if you throw subs in get Hollywood Excursions or Massive. Crazy bass w/ those bastards

[Nate2583]

What is this "techno" you guys speak of. I've never went past the death metal, hardcore, metal core fence.

Sounds interesting though.

[BRUTAL1TY]

Believe it or not, I actually like trance and techno from time to time. I'll listen to some Paul Oakenfold, Markus Schulz, or Armin Van Burren occasionally.. although I wish another genre was included in this poll. Mainly, Trip-Hop. Some crazy good stuff comes from the trip-hop scene. Check out The Thievery Corporation, just AMAZING. Seriously, amazing.

[mega_hertz_99]

Believe it or not, I actually like trance and techno from time to time. I'll listen to some Paul Oakenfold, Markus Schulz, or Armin Van Burren occasionally.. although I wish another genre was included in this poll. Mainly, Trip-Hop. Some crazy good stuff comes from the trip-hop scene. Check out The Thievery Corporation, just AMAZING. Seriously, amazing.

Thievery Corp. holds that S*** down! Love 'em! Esthero's first album "Breath From Another" was ultra hot too. Also, check out Rezz's album for some good stuff featuring Doc on the tracks...

[Pepper Jack]

Check out The Thievery Corporation, just AMAZING. Seriously, amazing.

damn! jakes got taste!!!

[lacrosse_man16]

i like it, but i also like alot of rock to though.

[BRUTAL1TY]

Thievery Corp. holds that S*** down! Love 'em! Esthero's first album "Breath From Another" was ultra hot too. Also, check out Rezz's album for some good stuff featuring Doc on the tracks...

I'll definitely check them out. Thanks.

[Sir Charles]

I like music that involves a bit more talent than just pressing buttons....

[shane32Eire]

I like music that involves a bit more talent than just pressing buttons....

You like music where its hitting circles and plucking wires?

All music sounds crap when you say it like that lol

[BRUTAL1TY]

Shane32 speaks the truth on that one LOL

[mega_hertz_99]

I like music that involves a bit more talent than just pressing buttons....

Check out www.myspace.com/xeperu75. There's some "real" music for ya! (Please consider these are pre-production mixes and should not be confused for the final consumable items...)
You are all welcome to give your opinion (like you wouldn't anyway) :bootyshak

[mega_hertz_99]

Also, look 4Hero up on myspace. They're out of the UK.

[Kona Palangi]

Check out www.myspace.com/xeperu75 (http://www.myspace.com/xeperu75). There's some "real" music for ya! (Please consider these are pre-production mixes and should not be confused for the final consumable items...)
You are all welcome to give your opinion (like you wouldn't anyway) :bootyshak

Love making music ... Sounds more Disco Funk / O'Jays, Isley Brothers, Al Green, George Clinton, Parliament, et cetera music. Sounds good.

[IIJoshIII]

LOL, people say its just pushing buttons and no skill, which is the most ridiculous ignorant thing ive ever heard. Yes, someone is going to say "Oh well I know alot of spinners and I personally know it takes no skill". Well, no you dont so just shut your mouth. Techno does take skill. PERIOD.

[RABOOSKI]

Man I want to learn how to be a DJ. I love all those cool sounds you can make when just turning the disc which harder than I thought when I first tried it. Lol I SUCKED BADLY!

[Sir Charles]

they become Djs because they havent the talent to play a real instrument. im sorry but i just dont see the appeal. dont get me wrong the music is great to dance to in a club when your munted, but for people to listen to it on their ipod? i cudnt do that.

[RABOOSKI]

Will I couldn't just listen to it either, I'm just saying that it would be pretty cool to be one and play at a club maybe.

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

Believe it or not, I actually like trance and techno from time to time. I'll listen to some Paul Oakenfold, Markus Schulz, or Armin Van Burren occasionally.. although I wish another genre was included in this poll. Mainly, Trip-Hop. Some crazy good stuff comes from the trip-hop scene. Check out The Thievery Corporation, just AMAZING. Seriously, amazing.

Thievery Corporations da ****! Warning Shots is :top:

[Quiz]

Check out www.myspace.com/xeperu75 (http://www.myspace.com/xeperu75). There's some "real" music for ya! (Please consider these are pre-production mixes and should not be confused for the final consumable items...)
You are all welcome to give your opinion (like you wouldn't anyway) :bootyshak


I like the Bass

[mega_hertz_99]

I like the Bass

Sweet. I've gotta put my bass in the shop cause I beat it up a little too much. I'll have some new tunes up in a week or so (hopefully) for y'all to move to. My 360 is on the way to repair also. It has been a crazy week for electronics around my house...

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

they become Djs because they havent the talent to play a real instrument. im sorry but i just dont see the appeal. dont get me wrong the music is great to dance to in a club when your munted, but for people to listen to it on their ipod? i cudnt do that.

Everyone has some kind of talent I believe and those that become deejays have skill in spinnin or producin records :driver:

A synthesizer, or any deejay equipment is somewhat an instrument...it makes music. A pot or pan can be known as an instrument. I know people on the streets that have skill to make beats with simple steel :congrats:

But I concur with ya on not bein able to put this music in your iPod with some people. But I mostly have 99.2% of electronic dance music on my iPod-the rest hip-hop or rock ^_^

[BRUTAL1TY]

Thievery Corporations da ****! Warning Shots is :top:

OMG YES! Someone that loves Warning Shots! The end of that song is ridiculous. I love it.

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

OMG YES! Someone that loves Warning Shots! The end of that song is ridiculous. I love it.

Damn yea...I should've added Trip-Hop to the options poll
I'm glad to see someone into Markus Schulz and Armin Van Burren :shakehand

[Spartan1127]

they become Djs because they havent the talent to play a real instrument. im sorry but i just dont see the appeal. dont get me wrong the music is great to dance to in a club when your munted, but for people to listen to it on their ipod? i cudnt do that.

I can't play that on my ipod either. I can only stand blasting rock through the I=Pod. i only like elctronic stuff when it's loud and when you dance to it.

[Sir Charles]

Everyone has some kind of talent I believe and those that become deejays have skill in spinnin or producin records :driver:

A synthesizer, or any deejay equipment is somewhat an instrument...it makes music. A pot or pan can be known as an instrument. I know people on the streets that have skill to make beats with simple steel :congrats:

But I concur with ya on not bein able to put this music in your iPod with some people. But I mostly have 99.2% of electronic dance music on my iPod-the rest hip-hop or rock ^_^

:Puke: :Puke: :Puke: :Puke: :Puke:

ive been playin guitar since the age of 9 and without blowing my own trumpet i can assure you that takes 1000% more talent that is required to be a 'deejay'. and when do these 'deejays' ever play live then eh???

[IIJoshIII]

:Puke: :Puke: :Puke: :Puke: :Puke:

ive been playin guitar since the age of 9 and without blowing my own trumpet i can assure you that takes 1000% more talent that is required to be a 'deejay'. and when do these 'deejays' ever play live then eh???

Ever heard of a rave?

[Sir Charles]

[/B]Ever heard of a rave?

do they actually play any keyboards or drum machines and sing live then? no i think not, all pre recorded

[IIJoshIII]

Lol, they're not all pre recorded. Soooo, I THINK SO.

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

:Puke: :Puke: :Puke: :Puke: :Puke:

ive been playin guitar since the age of 9 and without blowing my own trumpet i can assure you that takes 1000% more talent that is required to be a 'deejay'. and when do these 'deejays' ever play live then eh???

Its ignorant to say that an instrument is better or more skilled; they all equally contribute to music that I respect

MANY Djs spin live; I'm guessin ya never go out much?

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

do they actually play any keyboards or drum machines and sing live then? no i think not, all pre recorded

lol actually yes whether its an MCer, or a rap artist rapping to Jungle or DNB, or the amazin vocalists for Trance such as Jes :) and yes they use many equipment, and use pianos, drums and keyboards

You should really educate yourself on the electronica dance scene and movement before judging

[Sir Charles]

lol actually yes whether its an MCer, or a rap artist rapping to Jungle or DNB, or the amazin vocalists for Trance such as Jes :) and yes they use many equipment, and use pianos, drums and keyboards

You should really educate yourself on the electronica dance scene and movement before judging

you need a proper education on REAL music im afraid. but if you like it fair enuf - im just voicing my opinion.

[Kona Palangi]

you need a proper education on REAL music im afraid. but if you like it fair enuf - im just voicing my opinion.

Charles Post Sighted!!!! ... Marked on calender.

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

you need a proper education on REAL music im afraid. but if you like it fair enuf - im just voicing my opinion.

I'm afraid I don need education on electronic dance music or the scene; I respect your opinion and insight, yet I think you need to EXPERIENCE TO UNDERSTAND

[Kona Palangi]

Music; It is what it is. May personal choice and preference reign supreme.

[Bionic Commando]

If remixing someone elses song, by adding a generic bass rythem is classed as "art" in your book, I may aswell go and record the sounds of workshop and class it as a "scratched" tune.

You do not need any musical talent, either. My "friend" likes to make his own dance songs by using computer software and hes' the most music illiterate person I've ever met.

Remixing someone elses song DOESN'T create a new song.

YouTube - Scooter - The Logical Song (Live - TOTP UK 2002-06-21) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3r-xCny8k)

Art, eh?

Evidently you're either not that familiar with electro or you're just adapting a typically ignorant stance on music you don't understand. Not every DJ simply adds a generic bass rhythm to someone elses song. I recommend you listen to DJ Shadow, Cut Chemist and Steinski and Double Dee and then come back into this thread. Shadow is a good example of a DJ that does something completely different. Check out Entroducing and you'll see what i'm talking about. To listen to that record, you wouldn't even think a DJ was behind it. It's been covered by percussion orchestras so evidently he doesn't simply add a beat, he creates music.

As for not needing musical talent, of course you do. It's all about keeping the rhythm and the beat. People look at DJs and they assume it requires no skill, but I challenge you to make some great music on the 1s and 2s. It's a lot harder than it looks. Anyone can play a beat, but the same can be said of drums. Drums are the easiest instruments to pick up, but the hardest to master. Decks are on the same wave length.

Way to go using Scooter as an example by the way. That completely reinforced my opinion that you don't know what you're talking about. Scooter is laughed at by most dance fans in all honesty. They're a joke amongst the community, the same way Poison and Skid Row are jokes in the rock community.

I like music that involves a bit more talent than just pressing buttons....

But pushing buttons can sound good: YouTube - Pushin Buttons Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgetaroZZU)

do they actually play any keyboards or drum machines and sing live then? no i think not, all pre recorded

Some of them do play keyboards, and what are you talking about, drum machines are prerecorded themselves. There are occasionally prerecorded sets, but they wouldn't be considered live. DJs do indeed play live sets. I'd know as i've seen quite a few of them play myself up close.

When we went to see Cut Chemist, he filmed a friend of mine saying his name and where he was from. He then played this on a big screen, added a beat and scratched the **** out of him talking. He used audio-visual software, so basically when he scratched, the screen scratched in time with him. If it is all prerecorded, how exactly was he able to do that in real-time?

Good call on Thievery Corporation fellas, they're great.

[Kona Palangi]

Bionic Commando sighting!!!!! Marked on calender.

[Bionic Commando]

Bionic Commando sighting!!!!! Marked on calender.

?????

Am I missing something here?

[Blank]

?????

Am I missing something here?

I'm missing it too, but he did that to a post before as well so I don't know what the hell is going on.

[Forgotten Soup]

This music brings me intense physical pain.

[cam2]

i love pumping my tunes out me awesome stereo system theres only on album to listen to ...... MINSITRY OF SOUND!

[Sir Charles]

This music brings me intense physical pain.

same here

[IIJoshIII]

Bionic Commando sighting!!!!! Marked on calender.Confused, but laughing anyway.

[Kearney]

narrow mindedness towards dance music is old and idiotic.

dance music is loved worldwide and helps people have a good time and party.

can't be that bad surely?

im more of a southern rock obsessive like but i appreciate some ****ing HARD HOUSE! german style!

[Forgotten Soup]

It doesn't matter if it's loved all over the world. If it sounds like garbage to me then my opinion is that it is bad.

I hate trends.

Gimme some rock plz. :(

[Spartan1127]

All those genres you listed in the poll suck. Get me some rock or metal, then we'll talk.

[shane32Eire]

All those genres you listed in the poll suck. Get me some rock or metal, then we'll talk.

there not electronica, go back to your flock you sheep!

[Sir Charles]

All those genres you listed in the poll suck. Get me some rock or metal, then we'll talk.

well done

[Spartan1127]

there not electronica, go back to your flock you sheep!

What?

By the way, flocks are for birds you twat. Herds are for sheep.

[Blank]

All those genres you listed in the poll suck. Get me some rock or metal, then we'll talk.

Have you ever really given them a try? Judging from the fact that you listen to metal, I doubt it (I could be wrong, but most people that listen to metal are incredibly shallow when it comes to music, more so than chavs).

I never thought I'd like that type of stuff, but some of it can be great. Sub Focus and Pendulum FTW!!

[Spartan1127]

Yeah, sometimes it's ok. But I like music that gets you really pumped like RATM.

[friedkarma]

All I have to say is rock, metal, jazz, classical, etc. all require some degree of musical talent. I'm into enjoying the skill of the artist. Sorry, but electronica requires ZERO talent IMO, and is therefore not enjoyable to me. If other people like it, that's fine. Drop some X and listen to it, but none of your performers are going to be remembered generations from now.

[Bionic Commando]

It doesn't matter if it's loved all over the world. If it sounds like garbage to me then my opinion is that it is bad.

I hate trends.

Gimme some rock plz. :(

Why don't you go listen to DJs that implement rock into their sets then? I mean, ****ing hell, 2 Many DJs mix Slayer into their playlists sometimes.

All I have to say is rock, metal, jazz, classical, etc. all require some degree of musical talent. I'm into enjoying the skill of the artist. Sorry, but electronica requires ZERO talent IMO, and is therefore not enjoyable to me. If other people like it, that's fine. Drop some X and listen to it, but none of your performers are going to be remembered generations from now.

What the hell are you talking about? Why don't you go make an electro song right now and get back to us if it's so easy to do. Of course it requires skill. I hate this stupid narrowminded attitude that anything made using decks requires no skill. I mean, are you serious? Like I said to the other guy, go out there and actually listen to the DJs who create their only music. Some of them are fantastic at what they do, and from what i've seen, a lot of them have better timing than many of the 'great' metal guitarists out there.

Do I have to drop some ecstasy to watch DJs perform? That's a ridiculous stereotype. Of course with trance and other subgenres of dance it helps, but bear in mind there are many different subgenres within the dance or hip-hop genres which don't fit that stereotype. It's like saying a classical guitarist is on the same wavelength as a speed metal guitarist. It just doesn't work.

As for being remembered, who knows who'll be remembered in years to come? How do we know the metal genre won't transform into something else?

[friedkarma]

[QUOTE=Bionic Commando;137662]Of course it requires skill. I hate this stupid narrowminded attitude that anything made using decks requires no skill. I mean, are you serious? Like I said to the other guy, go out there and actually listen to the DJs who create their only music. Some of them are fantastic at what they do, and from what i've seen, a lot of them have better timing than many of the 'great' metal guitarists out there.[QUOTE]

Vanna White is good at what she does, but no skill, no talent.

[Bionic Commando]

[QUOTE=Bionic Commando;137662]Of course it requires skill. I hate this stupid narrowminded attitude that anything made using decks requires no skill. I mean, are you serious? Like I said to the other guy, go out there and actually listen to the DJs who create their only music. Some of them are fantastic at what they do, and from what i've seen, a lot of them have better timing than many of the 'great' metal guitarists out there.[QUOTE]

Vanna White is good at what she does, but no skill, no talent.

Yes, because that has so much relevance to this thread.

[friedkarma]

Yes, because that has so much relevance to this thread.

Say what??? It's a prime example of my point! If you don't want me to respond, don't pull quotes from my posts. It's as simple as that.

[Bionic Commando]

No, no. I do want you to respond. I want you to put forth a well-constructed argument that I can read, analyse and respond to. Otherwise don't waste my time with this gibberish.

[shane32Eire]

What?

By the way, flocks are for birds you twat. Herds are for sheep.

thats what they want you to think you sheep

[Forgotten Soup]

I have a midi music creation program on my cell phone and I made one killer beat.

[Kona Palangi]

Relativism should be considered as a central tenet when debating matters of opinion. What one may feel is easy another may feel to be difficult. Who is to say either is right or wrong. In the end does it matter? If ideologies and beliefs are not reciprocated this does not necessarily connote ignorance. If people are to believe spinning the ones and two's requires minuscule talent if any at all that is their opinion relative to their perspective and various other contributing factors. The most simplistic argumentative response would be to request that the individual attempt to do the debated and/or disputed task. In most cases this is effective but far from an absolute.

A brilliant yet misguided man once said "Last words are for fools who haven't said enough" ...... Suum Cuique

[Blank]

No, no. I do want you to respond. I want you to put forth a well-constructed argument that I can read, analyse and respond to. Otherwise don't waste my time with this gibberish.

:adore: :adore: :adore:

[mega_hertz_99]

Relativism should be considered as a central tenet when debating matters of opinion. What one may feel is easy another may feel to be difficult. Who is to say either is right or wrong. In the end does it matter? If ideologies and beliefs are not reciprocated this does not necessarily connote ignorance. If people are to believe spinning the ones and two's requires minuscule talent if any at all that is their opinion relative to their perspective and various other contributing factors. The most simplistic argumentative response would be to request that the individual attempt to do the debated and/or disputed task. In most cases this is effective but far from an absolute.

A brilliant yet misguided man once said "Last words are for fools who haven't said enough" ...... Suum Cuique

Yeah! You get 'em, Malo! :boxing:

[mega_hertz_99]

Music is music is music, folks. Whether it be from electronic or acoustic based sources. I have heard some of the most simple three note melodies come off a keyboard and been like, "damn, I wish I had made that" and I play several acoustic instruments. I love me some Prodigy and Chemical Brothers just like I love Megadeth and Brothers Johnson. Folks don't have to like dance music, but it is music just the same. Here's a good group out of the UK: www.myspace.com/4hero (http://www.myspace.com/4hero)

[Kona Palangi]

Thanks Mega Hertz. I am not taking sides I am only pointing out that musical preference is a matter of opinion. Some may say free styling 16 bars with cadence and flow would be easy. I disagree but at the same time I don't care what other people think. If I like it I listen. If i don't I will not bother. Simplicity is a beautiful thing.

[Forgotten Soup]

Fried admitted to as much. However, it still rings true that music is music regardless, but some music takes more skill than others.

I want you to put forth a well-constructed song that I can listen to, analyse and enjoy. Otherwise don't waste my time with this gibberish. As far as his response lacking depth.. well, so does your music. WAMO!

[mega_hertz_99]

I agree 100%.It's completely a matter of opinion. Like for all the music that I'm into, Country/Western makes my nose bleed. BUT, there are a lot of people out there who dig it and that's fine. And while I'm not into hip-hop nearly as much as I used to be, I can DEFINITELY respect an artist that's got some serious flow. Eminem, Busta Rhymes, Nas, Mos Def as newer school examples. Big Daddy Kane, KRS-1, Rakim, P.E.; most catz today still can't flow like these dudes did back in the 80's and 90's.

[Bionic Commando]

Thanks Mega Hertz. I am not taking sides I am only pointing out that musical preference is a matter of opinion. Some may say free styling 16 bars with cadence and flow would be easy. I disagree but at the same time I don't care what other people think. If I like it I listen. If i don't I will not bother. Simplicity is a beautiful thing.

You're right, musical preference is indeed a matter of opinion and not much else, but it's not preference we're arguing here. Sure enough, some people have expressed that the whole DJing thing isn't for them and that's their choice. Though, it is those that dismiss anything related to DJing as requiring no skill or not being a musical instrument that get on my nerves. The same types of people rallied against the electric guitar in the 60s saying the same thing and look how times have changed. It takes skill to play any instrument, including decks, so such an argument is just another example of ignorance in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I would argue the same points if a dance fan was to criticise rock. I think music in general should be appreciated. A lot of the best stuff is the hardest to find. This rings particularly true to dance, electro, hip-hop, trance etc.

[mega_hertz_99]

Delete

[friedkarma]

No, no. I do want you to respond. I want you to put forth a well-constructed argument that I can read, analyse and respond to. Otherwise don't waste my time with this gibberish.

I have no interest in this argument, but you've chosen to continually call me out. I've made my points, and I'm not sure how they elude you. I don't care what you listen to. Dance to the sounds of a diesel engine for all I care. My point is that is does not take musical ability to make this type of music. I never said it wasn't fun to go to the clubs and dance once in a while. I would take this type of music over country any day of the week.

Since my points have gone over your head thus far, let me break it down for you. If musical talent is required, show me one college program dedicated to techno. You can study violin, oboe or piano at Julliard, so please show me the Jungle and Electronica program. Maybe I'll go to the Carnegie Institute and sign up DJ'ing 101. I've yet to see a 5 year-old techno prodigy.

It does not take musical ability to perform this music! Mine is not an uneducated opinion. I've been around this music enough to know that of which I speak.

Instead of calling out the one person that makes a lucid point, try going after the idiots who simply say "that sucks" without offering supporting arguments.

[mega_hertz_99]

DJing as far as making something new from other parts is an art form. Being a record player is not. Mix Master Mike: EXCEPTIONAL DJ. DJ Whats-His-Nuts that spins a record and scratches once or twice and throws in a fancy EQ effect: Not so hot. Maybe that's where some people get confused. I run into DJs all the time in my profession and believe me, some of them have an attitude like they are the shizbang and then I listen to what they do and I am baffled that they get any attention at all. They spin the music that folks like me write and record and think THEY are the hotness. And then some put some stuff together that makes me want to got out and grab some turntables and gear and lay some nasty stuff down.

[Kona Palangi]

Why do you let it bother you? It is only an opinion .... Suum Cuique. Opinion, preference, perception, it's all a matter of relativism. As the saying goes in the states, let the haters hate. They always will and they will never go away. It becomes a circular argument and we all know that neither side will concede or capitulate. Has anyone honestly changed their opinion on the matter? Karma still holds true to his perceptions and in all likelihood they will remain that way. The same can be said for Charles (Wrutless). I have adopted the "**** what you think" mentality and it has worked well.

[mega_hertz_99]

If musical talent is required, show me one college program dedicated to techno. You can study violin, oboe or piano at Julliard, so please show me the Jungle and Electronica program. Maybe I'll go to the Carnegie Institute and sign up DJ'ing 101. I've yet to see a 5 year-old techno prodigy.

It does not take musical ability to perform this music! Mine is not an uneducated opinion. I've been around this music enough to know that of which I speak.



I don't know, Fried. Not everything that takes talent is taught in school. Sometimes the most talented people have no formal education in their field whatsoever because SOMETIMES education can be stilting. Making a GOOD electronica or techno tune takes just as much talent as making a GOOD rock song or a GOOD R&B song or even a GOOD classical composition. It's not about the education behind the music, it's about how it moves you. If the Art of Noise can take the sounds of screeching brakes, chainsaws, and hammers and make people move for decades, I think that takes a TON of talent. And none of them is any sort of slouch as far as musical talent on acoustic instruments. Kraftwerk? TOTALLY electronic and STILL inspiring a generation of musicians (myself included.) Those who fall back on the GENERIC ideas and idioms of that genre are the ones who give it a bad name. But I don't think anyone could say realistically that the Chemical Brothers aren't talented? The Prodigy isn't talented? Mark Mothersbaugh isn't talented?

[mega_hertz_99]

"**** what you think" is the best mentality EVER!

[Kona Palangi]

The Prodigy or Prodigy from Mobb Deep?

[mega_hertz_99]

The Prodigy of Firestarter and Breathe fame...

[friedkarma]

I don't know, Fried. Not everything that takes talent is taught in school. Sometimes the most talented people have no formal education in their field whatsoever because SOMETIMES education can be stilting. Making a GOOD electronica or techno tune takes just as much talent as making a GOOD rock song or a GOOD R&B song or even a GOOD classical composition. It's not about the education behind the music, it's about how it moves you. If the Art of Noise can take the sounds of screeching brakes, chainsaws, and hammers and make people move for decades, I think that takes a TON of talent. And none of them is any sort of slouch as far as musical talent on acoustic instruments. Kraftwerk? TOTALLY electronic and STILL inspiring a generation of musicians (myself included.) Those who fall back on the GENERIC ideas and idioms of that genre are the ones who give it a bad name. But I don't think anyone could say realistically that the Chemical Brothers aren't talented? The Prodigy isn't talented? Mark Mothersbaugh isn't talented?

Thanks for authoring a brilliant argument, unlike some other people. Like I've said, I have no interest in this thread. Unless I'm called out again, I bid you GOOD DAY.



I SAID GOOD DAY!!!!!!!!

[mega_hertz_99]

You're welcome. And good day to you too!

[BRUTAL1TY]

The Prodigy or Prodigy from Mobb Deep?

Fun fact: Prodigy from Mobb Deep was a dope rapper until him and Havoc joined 50's posse. What a shame

[Bionic Commando]

I have no interest in this argument, but you've chosen to continually call me out. I've made my points, and I'm not sure how they elude you. I don't care what you listen to. Dance to the sounds of a diesel engine for all I care. My point is that is does not take musical ability to make this type of music. I never said it wasn't fun to go to the clubs and dance once in a while. I would take this type of music over country any day of the week.

Since my points have gone over your head thus far, let me break it down for you. If musical talent is required, show me one college program dedicated to techno. You can study violin, oboe or piano at Julliard, so please show me the Jungle and Electronica program. Maybe I'll go to the Carnegie Institute and sign up DJ'ing 101. I've yet to see a 5 year-old techno prodigy.

It does not take musical ability to perform this music! Mine is not an uneducated opinion. I've been around this music enough to know that of which I speak.

Instead of calling out the one person that makes a lucid point, try going after the idiots who simply say "that sucks" without offering supporting arguments.

I've chosen to continually call you out? I've called you out once, maybe twice. Your point, frankly, frustrates me and that's why I am questioning it right now. I just don't see how you can possibly come up with that logic. Perhaps its merely ignorance or perhaps you're that deluded that you can possibly think that multiple genres of music require no skill to orchestrate. I have stressed numerous times throughout this thread that it does indeed require skill to DJ at the right level. There are many lacklustre DJs out there achieving fame and glory, the same way there are many other lacklustre musicians out there achieving fame and glory. Though, as with any musical genre, there are always diamonds in the rough.

Just because there isn't a college program for a musical instrument does not make it any less a musical instrument. The reasons why there are no classes for learning to sample, breakbeat, scratch or cut using decks is because decks are by no means a classical instrument, they were pioneered on the streets, and many DJs are encouraged to use other peoples tracks and play with them. This is not the nature of music, this is not musical creation. Though you could say the same thing about some classical orchestras, as a lot of the time they merely play what was written centuries previously. Though of course there are exceptions. These exceptions are the DJs I look upon with favour. Those who have enough balls to go out there and do their own things. Artists like DJ Shadow, Cut Chemist, Coldcut, Fila Brazillia, Alan Braxe, Daft Punk, MSTRKRFT, The Chemical Brothers and The Prodigy are all good examples of music breaking the mould and the work they produce should be encouraged, because they are not merely playing another person's record, they are creating music.

I'm not going after anyone. This isn't a witch hunt. I'm not interested in people who say "this sucks," because they aren't even remotely intellectually challenging. That's their opinion and they're entitled to it, but i'd rather engage in a healthy discussion than two people merely lambasting eachother.

[BRUTAL1TY]

Karma, I hate to be an ass, and I can't believe what I'm about to say, but I agree with Bionic for the most part (am I drunk?). Now I like trance, trip-hop, and other forms, but I am by no means an expert. So I will not try to lie to anyone and educate others on what takes skill or quote "how things are".

Can't we just appreciate the fact that this is music that goes against the norm, that prides itself on creative freedom and expression, that at least puts forth some effort? If we are going to bash anything, lets bash commerical music for its unoriginality and consistent dumbing down of society.

[friedkarma]

Bionic, thanks for the articulated points. They are appreciated. I like Chemical Brothers, but I would never, ever consider them muscians.

In case I haven't stated, I don't care. I only respond when addressed or quoted. If it makes you happy, you win. The entire human existance has been building to the day when people that can't read a note of music can scratch up vinyl and consider themselves musicians. We've hit a plateau in our species and can go no further with regard to cultural evolution.

Peace out

[Kona Palangi]

Bionic, thanks for the articulated points. They are appreciated. I like Chemical Brothers, but I would never, ever consider them muscians.

In case I haven't stated, I don't care. I only respond when addressed or quoted. If it makes you happy, you win. The entire human existance has been building to the day when people that can't read a note of music can scratch up vinyl and consider themselves musicians. We've hit a plateau in our species and can go no further with regard to cultural evolution.

Peace out

You have been quoted.

[L0n3c0mrad]

Man, i love any dance, techno, trance, all of that ****! if it would be at a rave, im into it. I made some of my own, as a matter of fact. Good stuff, good stuff. ROCK ON
most favorite songs:
sandstorm
heaven
odyssee

[L0n3c0mrad]

brutality, i love your avatar!1!!

[Kona Palangi]

Damn Comrad you are a jack of all trades!! Not only have you produced your own music but you are currently writing another Halo novel. You are talented!!!

[mega_hertz_99]

Bionic, thanks for the articulated points. They are appreciated. I like Chemical Brothers, but I would never, ever consider them muscians.

In case I haven't stated, I don't care. I only respond when addressed or quoted. If it makes you happy, you win. The entire human existance has been building to the day when people that can't read a note of music can scratch up vinyl and consider themselves musicians. We've hit a plateau in our species and can go no further with regard to cultural evolution.

Peace out

Hey Karm, I know we've "Good Day"d already, but I don't think most DJ's consider themselves "musicians" as much as "artists" and there is a difference. I would consider myself a musician AND an artist. As a musician, one could sit down and recite someone else's written piece(s) and be acclaimed the world over for performing said piece(s) to perfection, but that is still someone else's piece of music. As an artist, I can either create a piece or reproduce a piece in my own style and still in a way call it my own (giving due respect to the original, of course.) Guys like the Chemical Brothers, while doing some sampling of others, tend to have primarily original pieces and I know that quite a bit of work goes into making something entertaining and different. Yes, they can over-use the "Euro-Club" drumbeat, but the music they lay on top of it is deeper than much of what is accepted as good music today. Even Daft Punk who PRIMARILY sample throw in some killer original guitar and synth riffs and make something of their own. That is creative. And I'm not trying to change your position or opinion as much as give you another angle to look at.

[BRUTAL1TY]

OK, here goes.

So yeah a couple months back I met this kid at college who is crazy into producing music. He had MIDI keyboards through the roof, drum machines, vinyl everywhere, record players, etc. Basically the works. He was cool enough to let me borrow one of his MIDI keyboards and using that and a program called Reason, I attempted to create some music.

I didn't create anything umm amazing (surprised?), but this is the best of what I wasted my time on. Give it a listen and tell me what you think. Oh and be gentle.

Da Song (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/30/715211/Document%202.3.mp3)

[L0n3c0mrad]

good enough to not make me throw up or have an epileptic seizure

[BRUTAL1TY]

good enough to not make me throw up or have an epileptic seizure

lol thanks?

[mega_hertz_99]

Stopped in the middle of the download. I'll try again.

[friedkarma]

OK, OK this really is my last post. Bionic Commando, Mega Hertz, Brut and others vehemently support their postion, which I respect. I don't consider any DJ I've ever seen to be a musician anymore than I consider The Rock or whatever "professional wrestler" to be an athlete. They provide entertainment value, but I do not believe either to be a true disipline of any measure. I hope you respect my opinion as well.

Despite my opinion, I'm wrong. This is a thread for the fans of this form of music, and not a debate of the merits. Its easy to jump on the bandwagon when others have started the ball rolling, but I hold myself to higher standards than that in my everyday life. These standards should extend to my internet life. I owe Bionic, Mega, Brut and others an apology. I'm sorry. This is your thread. You should be able to use and enjoy it without "comments from the peanut gallery".

[mega_hertz_99]

Awwwwww! Thanks Karma! We love you, man! You know, I never even bothered to ask who you DO consider to be real musicians?

[BRUTAL1TY]

LOL mega.

Karma, like always, you're a good dude.

[Bionic Commando]

OK, OK this really is my last post. Bionic Commando, Mega Hertz, Brut and others vehemently support their postion, which I respect. I don't consider any DJ I've ever seen to be a musician anymore than I consider The Rock or whatever "professional wrestler" to be an athlete. They provide entertainment value, but I do not believe either to be a true disipline of any measure. I hope you respect my opinion as well.

Despite my opinion, I'm wrong. This is a thread for the fans of this form of music, and not a debate of the merits. Its easy to jump on the bandwagon when others have started the ball rolling, but I hold myself to higher standards than that in my everyday life. These standards should extend to my internet life. I owe Bionic, Mega, Brut and others an apology. I'm sorry. This is your thread. You should be able to use and enjoy it without "comments from the peanut gallery".

Don't worry about it. No apology is necessary.