Omg The Revolutions Graphics Card Has 600mhz

[ugotfragged]

Game informer this month has an interview with some nintendo official stating that the new graphics card will reportedly have 600mhz and may change its internal memory to 512. if this is so than teh xbox360 may have a helluh alot of compettiton. and that means with all the focus on them tryin to get market share sony may keep its lead in teh next gen and the runnerup may be nintendo. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Grumpy Old Fart]

A while back I came across these specs for the Revolution...

2 G5 1.8GHZ CPUS
512K L2 Cache
1200 MHZ Front Side BUS
600MHz GPU with 12MB embedded 1T SRAM
128MB 1T SRAM MAIN MEMORY 600 MHz (L3 Cache to CPU and GPU)
256MB 400MHZ NEC design embedded DRAM
Embedded 16-BIT HD 7.1 Digital sound chip
Dedicated sound bandwidth will not affect CPU
6GB HD Dual Layer Panasonic Discs
3:1 balance between CPU and RAM
1:1 balance between GPU and RAM

Got them from this site...LINK (http://www.totalgaming.co.uk/games/story.php?id=528)

Obviously they could be totally bogus as nothing has been confirmed officially by Nintendo.

[Justin Buser]

There is also these from http://www.totalnextgen.com/content.php?content.8

Now, a bit of clarification is necessary here. We have two sets of specs to talk about. Supposedly Nintendo has two sets of benchmark specifications they're working with, and one will be chosen when they are closer to actual development. We'll talk about both in the analysis.

System 1:

2.7 Ghz PowerPC G5 Processor
512 Megs total Ram (128 for video, 64 for sound)
600 Mhz graphics chip

System 2:

Dual 1.8 Ghz IBM G5 PowerPC processors
256 Megs DDR Main memory (64 dedicated to sound, using a 7.1 sound system at 196 Khz)
128 Megs GDDR3 Video memory
500 Mhz graphics chip (ATI developed, 16 Pixel Pipe, 220 Million transistors)

Shared Information:

Built in 15 Gigabyte harddrive
Blue-laser disk technology
Potential DVD playback
Case design philosophy more like the N64, less like the GameCube

[pApA SmerF01]

A while back I came across these specs for the Revolution...

2 G5 1.8GHZ CPUS
512K L2 Cache
1200 MHZ Front Side BUS
600MHz GPU with 12MB embedded 1T SRAM
128MB 1T SRAM MAIN MEMORY 600 MHz (L3 Cache to CPU and GPU)
256MB 400MHZ NEC design embedded DRAM
Embedded 16-BIT HD 7.1 Digital sound chip
Dedicated sound bandwidth will not affect CPU
6GB HD Dual Layer Panasonic Discs
3:1 balance between CPU and RAM
1:1 balance between GPU and RAM

Got them from this site...LINK (http://www.totalgaming.co.uk/games/story.php?id=528)

Obviously they could be totally bogus as nothing has been confirmed officially by Nintendo.

i've seen those too, but the gpu isn't what they're saying it is. they're made by ati and they're called a (i think) hollywood gpu.

it runs at 400MHz not 600, and one of the ati execs had an interview (i saw it in the other console/platform discussion on teamxbox.com) where they basically said that the "hollywood" chip is not nearly as powerful as the xenos...i'll try to find the link

[pApA SmerF01]

here they are:

1 (http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=55168)
2 (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24883)
3 (http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=92874036&usecoregcookie=1&fromsubscribersendto=1)

i don't know which one to go to so i posted all 3.

[Grindstone]

One thing is for sure that this point, we still need more clarification on the specs. Just give me one official set of numbers to scrutinize, then we'll make our doomsday predictions.

Side note: Even if the product sports a 600Mhz GPU, with no HDtv support, it still will not look as nice. 7.1 digital sound support, now that is impressive.

[Grumpy Old Fart]

One thing is for sure that this point, we still need more clarification on the specs. Just give me one official set of numbers to scrutinize, then we'll make our doomsday predictions.

Side note: Even if the product sports a 600Mhz GPU, with no HDtv support, it still will not look as nice. 7.1 digital sound support, now that is impressive.

The problem is we know absolutley nothing about the Revolution. Nintendo are doing thier usual cloak and dagger, top secret, we're going to give you as little info as possible right until the last minute. The specs quoted are from reliable sources, but until we get the confirmation from Nintendo I'd take everything about the Rev as speculation. Even the Revolution console shown at E3 wasn't the final product, Iwata has said that it may change before it is launched, and could be smaller than the item shown.

If the Rev is less powerful than the 360 and PS3 and doesn't have the visual quality of these two, it doesn't really bother me. I find I buy Nintendo for the gameplay, the innovation, the fun, and the franchises that don't appear on other systems.

[bennyboo03]

dont u think the number of revolutions sold will be lowered cuz of them not sayin anything about it until the last minute?

[Grumpy Old Fart]

dont u think the number of revolutions sold will be lowered cuz of them not sayin anything about it until the last minute?

Yeah I think all the secrecy may cause more damage in the long run. People have already started making up thier minds on which console they will be purchasing from what they have since since E3. With very little in the way of game and console information on the Revolution, it's not catching interest of gamers outside of the Nintendo fans.

[Iron Orta]

We have alot of time to wait 4 the revolution and nintendo dont need to rush the specs out. The only question will be how much of the market will be taken by MS and sony before nintendo turn up!!! Anywayz at the moments i plan on getting the revolution as my second console over my 360. I like the original games and concepts.

[Grumpy Old Fart]

We have alot of time to wait 4 the revolution and nintendo dont need to rush the specs out. The only question will be how much of the market will be taken by MS and sony before nintendo turn up!!! Anywayz at the moments i plan on getting the revolution as my second console over my 360. I like the original games and concepts.

From what I've seen by peoples responses on the net, the Revolution seems to be the second choice console after either the Xbox or PS3. Hopefully we may get something new from Nintendo regarding the Revolution at Nintendo's Dealer Fair in Osaka, Japan on July 27th - 28th. Reports say there will be new titles on display as well as some new announcements.

[Grindstone]

By not stating the specs, they are losing support. Some people say (also credibly known as 'they') that it is because Nintendo has something innovative up their sleeve, and what to shock the gaming industry with it. I have also herad from 'they' that the Rev. will not launch until Q3 of `06, which is console suicide, especially if you are releasing an inferior product comparatively speaking.

I sincerely hope that they do have something innovative that will 'revolutionize' the gaming industry, and keep them afloat.

[bennyboo03]

i wanna mostly wanna see wat the revolution controller will look like. i have heard rumours that it will have four bottom handles or watever its called on ir and also heard that they might either put a touch screen to tilt-sensitive gyrscopes the controller.

[Blank]

From what I've seen by peoples responses on the net, the Revolution seems to be the second choice console after either the Xbox or PS3.

I'm not suprised, considering the Revolution will be entirely different while the others are just technical improvements. I'd like to see Microsoft having a bigger impression on the Japanese market though.

[Superior Grant]

[QUOTE=Grumpy Old Fart]From what I've seen by peoples responses on the net, the Revolution seems to be the second choice console after either the Xbox or PS3. QUOTE]

Well if you got a 360 and Rev. it looks like youve got jsut about every game covered

360 looks like getting all those former PS exclusives to share, plus its own games, and as always, Nintendo will ahve loads of exclusives

[pApA SmerF01]

[QUOTE=Grumpy Old Fart]From what I've seen by peoples responses on the net, the Revolution seems to be the second choice console after either the Xbox or PS3. QUOTE]

Well if you got a 360 and Rev. it looks like youve got jsut about every game covered

360 looks like getting all those former PS exclusives to share, plus its own games, and as always, Nintendo will ahve loads of exclusives

yes and nintendo will still pick up the multi-platform games, because they're nintendo.

[MH_prophet]

[QUOTE=Grumpy Old Fart]From what I've seen by peoples responses on the net, the Revolution seems to be the second choice console after either the Xbox or PS3. QUOTE]

Well if you got a 360 and Rev. it looks like youve got jsut about every game covered

360 looks like getting all those former PS exclusives to share, plus its own games, and as always, Nintendo will ahve loads of exclusives

Exactly, that is why I'm (most likely) not getting a PS3.

[pApA SmerF01]

somebody needs a high five, and a drinky on me!:beer:

yeah.....it's cool!:albertein

[QUOTE=Acquiesce 360]

Exactly, that is why I'm (most likely) not getting a PS3.

[bennyboo03]

i want the revolution only because of super mario 128 and so i can have every zelda game on 1 console cuz u can download (for a fee) all super NES, nintendo 64, and gamecube games. saweet!

[MH_prophet]

You don't download the GC games, it reads the discs.

[bennyboo03]

ahhh true, but i heard that u will also be able to download

[MH_prophet]

Nope, cause A. There wouldn't be any point in downloading when it can read the discs. B. It would take too much space, and C. They already announced the downloads would be for NES-N64.

[bennyboo03]

damn magazines. they guess to much. thx a million MH

[Blank]

Exactly, that is why I'm (most likely) not getting a PS3.

:dito:

Who needs a PS3 when you can have the 360 and Rev?

[bennyboo03]

yea and ps3 doesnt even have a good online.so overall,360 doesnt just have almost all of ps3 things, it also has skins and marketplace and better online etc. i could go on fr days wat xbox 360 has that ps3 doesnt

[Grindstone]

Granted, at this point Xbox 360 looks like the most impressive contestant, but never count out the competition until all the cards are on the table.

If Nintendo is considering launching their console in Q3 of `06 with a 600Mhz GPU, I do not think it will make much of a difference. Forcing their fans to wait that long with be dangerous, as it did not help them in the last console war, and I sincerely doubt the patience of the fans will hold out meanwhile Xbox 360 and PS3 fans are having a hayday with their new toys. I see most people buying the Rev. only as a secondary console, not their primary system.

At this point, however, I see Nintendo as being forced to launch their system with a 600Mhz GPU, because launching a gaming system with anything less, in Q3 of `06 will be too inferior and not potentially strong enough to go up against what M$ and Sony are offering. Sure, it has its exclusive titles, but nothing we have not already seen. And if the graphics are not that great, why get this machine? [Yes, game play is important, but graphics are a very close second.] Consider this, great game play and great graphics on the other two consoles, for Nintendo, sub-par graphics, great game play. Which would you prefer? I would rather pay $300 for an Xbox 360 than a lesser machine at $200. Quality is important, which is why I believe that Nintendo will do the 600Mhz GPU, just to stay on par in the gaming industry.

Okay, sorry, rant over.

[CaveMan]

No mater what they say some thing that small can not have what it takes to go agents the ps3 much less the xbox360. There is a reason for ps3 and xbox360s size. they had to make them that big for the new GPU and CPUs and for every thing ells in side. And the revolution, in a case that small, to muck heat is a big problem. There isn’t enough room for a reliable cooling system.
And just because its 600 MHz doesn’t mean it has the system bandwidth or CPU powerful. the 600MHZ is not the factor.

[bennyboo03]

u have a good point

[Grumpy Old Fart]

I'm not a techie person so I don't really understand all the jargon regarding the specs. However I came across this article on a Nintendo forum (N-Philes I think) regarding ATI's view on the graphics chip they are producing for the Revolution...

Fresh off our trip to New York City to the Digital Life Press Preview event, we have come back with some important news for Nintendo fans concerning Nintendo's next console currently code-named the Revolution. There has been much speculation about the console's graphics, and how "next-generation" the games will be. Satoru Iwata has promised that the game's will "wow" consumers, but we just don't know how the games are going to look.

Well, at the Digital Life Press Preview event, we spoke with ATI, the developer and producer of the Revolution's graphics chip currently known as the "Hollywood". According to the ATI representative we spoke with, the Hollywood graphics chip is more powerful that the GameCube's graphics chip, but not on par with that of the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3. At the time of the event, the ATI representative was not able to elaborate on any specs or any other information on the Revolution. We were only told not to expect the same graphical quality that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will offer.

Knowing that however we are not sure how much of a differenece there will be between the Revolution, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3's graphics. There has been much speculation as to how the Revolution's graphics will look, and much speculation about that Metroid Prime 3 demo shown at E3 2005, which we can tell you was built on the GameCube hardware, not that of the Revolution. At this time we would speculate that the difference in the graphic power of the Revolution and the Xbox 360 will be comparible to that of the difference between the GameCube and the Xbox. It is also to be noted that pure specs and technical power do not alone make up a console or it's performance.

We could speculate further, but we are just going to have to wait for Nintendo to come out and show us the Revolution, it's graphical power, and what sort of gameplay "revolution" the machine will offer. We have spoken with ATI and brought back what little information is available, and at this point you are just going to have to wait for more information directly from Nintendo.

Regarding cooling, could they use water cooling or would that need more space than a standard fan. Again I'm not a techie person so I'm really just guessing and throwing things in that I've heard.

[Grindstone]

Well, I was giving Nintendo more credit than Sony in that I wasn't expecting Nintendo to "bottle-neck" the CPU-GPU with lacking bandwidth. If Nintendo doesn't do that, then the 600Mhz will be a challenger if coupled with 512Mg of RAM. But, since we do not have anything official from Nintendo on the Revolution's architecture, I guess our speculations aren't worth much at this point.

Edit: Well, this is what I get for hitting "reply" starting a post, then going off to lunch and finishing it after doing some work.

So, we now have an article which states that the Revolution will not be on par with the other consoles. Plus, it has no where near the capabilities of the other consoles. Oh boy, looks like our roots is planning a slow painful death for itself. Can Mario keep it alive?

[citizen X]

I’m sorry, but no matter how hard you wont the revolution to look as good as the ps3 or 360, it wont, that’s a fact. The system is just too small like I said, if MS or Sony had a way to keep it small they would have. More power means more heat, there’s no way around that. The liquid cooling system on the 360 is almost as big as the revelation itself.

I’ll say it will have good graphics better then the Xbox, but there will be big differences between revolution and the other systems.

This is what I think was going through Nintendo’s head, they were in last place this gen. so they said to save money we’ll go a different direction, we’ll make the system small and make it for bringing back the old games, wile still making good looking new games, because They new that they couldn’t get in 1st or 2nd this time.

[Grindstone]

Perhaps, but will they be around next time for 3rd place as well? If they continue this method, I am inclined to say that they should focus on handhelds and license out their gaming titles to M$ and Sony. On one hand, I do think it is cool that all 20,000 games titles from previous consoles will be available for download (with a fee) on the Revolution. On the other hand, I honestly have not played any of those 20,000 games since they first came out. But, this may be the saving grace for the Nintendo Revolution. I've already heard people talking about playing Chronotrigger again.

[pApA SmerF01]

Perhaps, but will they be around next time for 3rd place as well? If they continue this method, I am inclined to say that they should focus on handhelds and license out their gaming titles to M$ and Sony. On one hand, I do think it is cool that all 20,000 games titles from previous consoles will be available for download (with a fee) on the Revolution. On the other hand, I honestly have not played any of those 20,000 games since they first came out. But, this may be the saving grace for the Nintendo Revolution. I've already heard people talking about playing Chronotrigger again.

the beautiful thing for nintendo is that they don't have to be #1 to make money. the gamecube brought in more net profit than any other console, and it was in last place. i suspect the same will be true for the rev.

[citizen X]

the beautiful thing for nintendo is that they don't have to be #1 to make money. the gamecube brought in more net profit than any other console, and it was in last place. i suspect the same will be true for the rev.

Absolutely rite they don't need to be 1# or 2#, to make mony.

If it’s cheap enough, and good enough of a product. U makes money every time you sell the system alone, plus all of the extra stuff.

[pApA SmerF01]

Absolutely rite they don't need to be 1# or 2#, to make mony.

If it’s cheap enough, and good enough of a product. U makes money every time you sell the system alone, plus all of the extra stuff.

that's why gc made so much money. nintendo is no longer in it for the hardware race. they're there for the people who just want average games for a cheap, but reasonable console.

that's why nintendo will probably never go away, but it'll never regain the lion-share of the market.

[Man Whore]

The fact you could download all the old Nintendo games is a big factor. That's going to draw all the old school gamers.I can't guess how many people I talk to that say , man I wish i could play the old Mario or, back in my day I use to play Contra, or they would say, man I can't handle these games today

[pApA SmerF01]

The fact you could download all the old Nintendo games is a big factor. That's going to draw all the old school gamers.I can't guess how many people I talk to that say , man I wish i could play the old Mario or, back in my day I use to play Contra, or they would say, man I can't handle these games today

my mother always talks about burger time....lol