360 Already Peaking, PS3 Hardly Tapped Into.

[jholder5]

Valve: "HL2 Orange uses 94% of Xbox 360's power, No use of PS3's SPU's"
Link: PSU.com


Quote:
PSU: What is the primary advantage with the technologies for next-gen? Are there differences between the 360 and PS3 that you found aided you in the game?

Valve: We defintiely feel next-gen technology aided truly in our development process. You know---you have complexer AI, you have more characters to work with, an enhanced ability to work with the animations on a higher scale--all that stuff. The only difference between the 360 and PS3--which both as a collective helped us develop The Orange Box is definitely there. For the 360 version of the game, we can probably say we are using around 93-94% of the console's power given our current optimization. With the PS3, we can't exactly say what power cap we reached, since no developer really knows where the boundary is for the PS3. We can tell you that in terms of the whole game together on the PS3, we are not even using the SPU's and it is purely built on the graphics card and Cell. We're still optimizing for PS3 more because we can, which can explain the slight delay to you. But no worries, everything is going smoothly to put down any rumors.
lol.lol.lol.lol
Sounds like sony has paid someone to be on their team.

[Kona Palangi]

Where is their proof they have utilized "93-94%" of the 360's power? Sounds like they are just talking out of their ass if you ask me. You just can't bust out figures without facts to back up your claims. Complexer? What douche from Valve said "complexer"? I doubt this is a legit Valve statement but if it is IDGAF. We'll see what they say when Halo 3 comes out.

[shane32Eire]

Sounds like sony has paid someone to be one their team.

That answer is most likely edited, such as the question could have been in a different context or the quote of valves answer was moved around and parts cut out ect,
but one thing is Valve are not biast, they are legend for their PC games and halflife 1 & 2 had close ties with mircosoft when in development, and when HL2 code was stolen MS helped in finding the hackers, and i see nor reason they would lie for sonys purpose so maybe you should just take the answer as it is? as it may be 100% true who knows.

[Kona Palangi]

And it may be 100% wrong. Complexer? C'mon FFS COMPLEXER??

[Grindstone]

And yet, it'll still look better on the 360, go figure.

[shane32Eire]

And yet, it'll still look better on the 360, go figure.

Says who?

[hollywood21639]

All the games that are on both systems so far have been better received on Xbox due to better frame rate, graphics, animations,online, etc. So it would be wise to assume that the Xbox version will be better. Even when games like Rainbow Six come out much later on PS3 it is still better on Xbox.

[Vernon48]

No doubt that the PS3 will be using less power, but noway will it be this much less. This must be edited.

[Kona Palangi]

This must be edited.

Complexer FTMFW!!!!!!!

[Vernon48]

Complexer FTMFW!!!!!!!


haha! Ooohh yeahh, lets go kick some complexer AI butt...I think not

[Sir Charles]

im still gettin orange box for the 360 cos of the multiplayer. only 3 of my mates have a ps3 at the moment.

[tobli]

"given our current optimization"

Everyone, and their mother missed that. It's the percentage of how much it's possible to tap at this point in time for them. Not to mention that since it's multiplatt it's won't take advantage of some of the 360's best features.

At one point EA said that Icon used 100% :flute:

This is just a way to get 1-2 Halo fans to reconsider their purchase :hmpf:

[Kona Palangi]

This is just a way to get 1-2 Halo fans to reconsider their purchase

Highly unlikely regardless if true or false. Halo fans are far more complexer than many give them credit for.

[hollywood21639]

Halo fans are far more complexer than many give them credit for.

Indeed they are! Very much complexer!

[Vernon48]

How can this be true, if one of Valve's leading personal regard the PS3 as 'a total disaster'.


Link
Gabe Newell: Orange Box Is Pretty Much Finished - Xbox (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14355/Gabe-Newell-Orange-Box-Is-Pretty-Much-Finished/)

[Kona Palangi]

It's called hypocrisy Vernon. Also see Ted Kennedy.

[remixFA]

yea, valves head honcho said in an interview in OXM that sony should do a "REDO" because the PS3 was a total disaster. Im sure they have just flipped sides... riiiiiight.

sony is known for false reports and lies. its par for the course for them. if there is any truth what so ever, expect valve to come out w/ a counter statement.

[Kona Palangi]

expect valve to come out w/ a counter statement.

It better be a much more articulate and complexer statement.

[Blasterpez]

i think you mean, complex-I-ter, statement. you just gotta get the right vernacular down.

[remixFA]

dang yall got too many sylabuses in thos wards for me to compatrcihend them!

[Kona Palangi]

i think you mean, complex-I-ter, statement. you just gotta get the right vernacular down.

Regardless, complexer fails to register in the human lexicon with anybody who has over 50 IQ points so obviously this excludes Shane.

[shane32Eire]

complexer is a real word lol,

when your doing math and working with complex numbers ect, more fuctions of a complex number is called complexer in math. no BS lol

[Kona Palangi]

Ironic how Shane, out of any member on the site, is providing us with English lessons. Merriam-Webster has no definition for the term ''complexer'' regardless of whatever you Irish inbreds use. Even if what you say holds true, the term would have been used out of context to begin with.

[friedkarma]

Ironic how Shane, out of any member on the site, is providing us with English lessons. Merriam-Webster has no definition for the term ''complexer'' regardless of whatever you Irish inbreds use. Even if what you say holds true, the term would have been used out of context to begin with.

I found it in my English-Shaneabic translation dictionary.

[MidnghtDrgn]

I think "complexor" is the math term... Short for Complex Order.

[Kona Palangi]

The quote did not say "complexor", it said "complexer"

[MidnghtDrgn]

The quote did not say "complexor", it said "complexer"

Right, I was correcting Shane, not you. :shakehand

[shane32Eire]

I think "complexor" is the math term... Short for Complex Order.

ohhhhhh could be OR not ER actually, didnt think of that.
And joel shut your fat yank scumbag mouth and dont call me an inbred you redneck morman ****ing ****face. Stop **** stirring and thinking your actually someone cause u have a green name, **** off and take you pap podcast with you.

[Kona Palangi]

Talk is cheap *****. Funny how you talk big **** but once you land at Logan you shut the **** up real quick. Have a Chata you coward.

[Don_Rico]

Shane's post...

Wow, just wow.

[shane32Eire]

Talk is cheap *****. Funny how you talk big **** but once you land at Logan you shut the **** up real quick. Have a Chata you coward.

funny i havnt landed at logan yet, and calling someone a coward on the internet is like calling a frenchy rude. cop on sunshine.
Your one cold-blooded mormon

[Kona Palangi]

The fact remains .. You run out the mouth with all this jibber jabber then when we talk about you hitting the states and you go over a checklist of what not to say and do. Quite frankly, that is sad. If you can't back your **** up don't say it. Make sure when you land you bring plenty of your Irish 90 proof to drink you ****ing drunkard coward. Otherwise you keep spoutin' in Boston like that you'll end up with 3 in the chest.

[Scotracer]

What every single person in this thread has failed to even notice is one line:

"No SPU's used in PS3"...:stupid:

Are they telling us that they've managed to get Half-Life 2 and it's counterparts to run ONLY on a dual-threaded 3.2GHz PowerPC core? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah right. Someone is lying here!

I think they could concievely get almost all of the power out of the 360 for Half-life 2 as it is a PC game at heart, which is of course what the Xbox 360 is (just a PC in a little box). Also, Half-life always suited ATI cards better than nVidia.

We'll see how the PS3 version compares...

[shane32Eire]

then when we talk about you hitting the states and you go over a checklist of what not to say and do..

Emmm i asumed you knew i was joking lol,
Ive been to boston before and there a smart people so im not worried bout what i say as there actually sensible northern americans who can be reasonable and reaslistic bout the world.

[Kona Palangi]

there actually sensible northern americans who can be reasonable and reaslistic bout the world.

Then WTF are they doing associating with you?

[shane32Eire]

Then WTF are they doing associating with you?

hey everyone makes bad decissions

[remixFA]

What every single person in this thread has failed to even notice is one line:

"No SPU's used in PS3"...:stupid:

Are they telling us that they've managed to get Half-Life 2 and it's counterparts to run ONLY on a dual-threaded 3.2GHz PowerPC core? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah right. Someone is lying here!

I think they could concievely get almost all of the power out of the 360 for Half-life 2 as it is a PC game at heart, which is of course what the Xbox 360 is (just a PC in a little box). Also, Half-life always suited ATI cards better than nVidia.

We'll see how the PS3 version compares...

i saw it but didnt really care as i immediatly logged the blurb as a flat out lie. The 360 can handle HL2 with ease. It is an older game now and games like Bioshock and oblivion eat up much more horsepower.

[Boost King]

I am not even going to do this thread any favours by trying to argue this point.

A useless comment with no substance.

If someones aim was to fire eveyone up, they've succeeded.

Boost

[tobli]

I am not even going to do this thread any favours by trying to argue this point.

A useless comment with no substance.

If someones aim was to fire eveyone up, they've succeeded.

Boost
Well it probably was. Firing up gaming forums means free publicity.

[Blasterpez]

i saw it but didnt really care as i immediatly logged the blurb as a flat out lie. The 360 can handle HL2 with ease. It is an older game now and games like Bioshock and oblivion eat up much more horsepower.

i would hope the 360 can run hl2 with all the ooh's and aah's jacked up. i know if my 5 year old gateway can run it with everything on, then these new consoles shouldn't have an issue (cod2 looks better on my 360 then on my computer).

And, oh yeah, something something Irish, something something Mormon. (I didn't want to be out of that conversation either). And...something something PS3. (heard lair sucked).

[shane32Eire]

i know if my 5 year old gateway can run it with everything on,

you can run HL2 with 8xMSAA and 8xAnistropicfiltering and full HDR range on and full shaders and full shadows at 1280*960 on a 5 year old gateway?
DAMN!

[Blasterpez]

Yeah, it will run it. Not at that res, though, so sorry bout that one, but i can turn all the AA and shading on, and it runs (now you got me second guessing myself). I did up my vid card, but it isn't anything that could compete with new video cards, an old ATI 9600 w/ 256 ram, and i have 1 gig o' ram on the mobo. But, yeah, i have to run the res at a lower res, but a higher res then i run some other games. and at a decent fps, too. needless to say i was surprised, as well.
i would like to try cod2 on direct x 9 instead of 7, however. Can't get a decent frame rate running it on 9.

[shane32Eire]

Just read a Preview of HL2 orange:box, and the lads who were playing it played episode2 on a top-end PC and the 360 and said they were almost identical graphically, which is a good thing considering the price of the premium 360 and the price of a top-end PC, and the episode 2 engine is way more advancded then HL2 source engine they've done major overhauls on it.

[remixFA]

they did overhauls on it for episode one. Its just like when the SI expansion came out for oblivion... exept better. Oblivion was just better managed in the expansion making it look and act better, Valve found new tech and added it to their game.
Its still not enough to tax the 360 though.

[shane32Eire]

they did overhauls on it for episode one. Its just like when the SI expansion came out for oblivion... exept better. Oblivion was just better managed in the expansion making it look and act better, Valve found new tech and added it to their game.
Its still not enough to tax the 360 though.

Im aware of that ricky i do own HL2 and Ep1, im ashamed to say it but im a valve fanboy.

[remixFA]

valve makes quality games. can you name one that sucked? i cant.

[shane32Eire]

Sin Episode:Emergence was a bit pap

[remixFA]

hmm. never heard of it. it was a valve game? if so, i guess u got me there :D!

[Blasterpez]

You sure Sin is a valve game and not just using the hlf2 graphic engine? I think the original Sin game used the original half life engine, but it wasn't made by valve. ( i will admit, when half life one came out, i was so anti sierra games, i didn't buy it for quite a while...you may remember sierra games as being the ones that never worked throughout the 80's and mid 90's).

oh yeah (a little tangent), what forum would i complain on about how stupid people on halo2 act/talk? i played it for the first time last night with my friend (who has been playing for a while), all i can say is...what the hell, man, what the hell? "yeah, i got a mic on my head, that give me license to say, continuously, 'i raped your mom and you' and 'f*ck you f*ggot'."
woo hoo, that makes me want to play online a lot, at least most PC players i play with either don't want to type that all the time, or are just more mature.

[remixFA]

hehe blaster. The regular H2 crowd can be somewhat overwhelming. A bunch of picked on preteens get online and take out their daily wedgie frustrations out on anyone they frag. Just mute em.

I used to have alot of fun w/ Sierra games back in the day. Kings Quest, Space Quest, i beleive Leisure suit Larry was too. Lots of good times.

BTW, Shan, looked up sin, it was developed by Ritual, not Valve. Its just uses the HL2 engine... like many games. Just like everything uses the UT3 engine now.

[Kona Palangi]

Just read a Preview of HL2 orange:box, and the lads who were playing it played episode2 on a top-end PC and the 360 and said they were almost identical graphically, which is a good thing considering the price of the premium 360 and the price of a top-end PC, and the episode 2 engine is way more advancded then HL2 source engine they've done major overhauls on it.

Wow. Shaney just said something positive about the 360.

[shane32Eire]

BTW, Shane, looked up sin, it was developed by Ritual, not Valve. Its just uses the HL2 engine... like many games. Just like everything uses the UT3 engine now.

My bad, valves record is 100% intact so.
dark messiah uses hallife 2 engine aswell i played the demo 2day, great game. its oblivion but fun.

[Vernon48]

im a valve fanboy.

Shane is a Valve fanboy!!! Well, he does have some sense every now and then.haha

[Syrus15]

Complexer. Right there you can tell not to trust this BS. Besides, if it is true, look at the games that have been out for over a year and JUST came out on the PS3. Graphics are the same(or sometimes worse...) and they aren't any better!

[MASTER DAMAGE]

It's most likely 100% BS. I forgot which game came out for the PS3 which they said only used 15 -20% of it's potential power. It's just things the developers say to swing your vote to the other side. Thats all it is!

[Kona Palangi]

Yeah I think the entire "complexer" statement debunked the entire quote. That still makes me laugh to this day. Damn those Sony fanboys and their extensive vocabularies!!

[viracocha72]

what the hell are Sony fanboys doing on this site?
oh yeah their system sucks and has no good games so they've nothing better to do.
But all hail Valve, TFC, DOD, CS, Firearms, four classics from one game.
I don't believe anyone at Valve said this or it's massively paraphrased and edited.

[jvanleuvan]

I'm officailly raising the BS flag on this. Lets review.

While running on the Xbox360 they are using 94% of 3 dual threaded 3.2GHZ Power PC cores

But that same game on the PS3 hardly stresses 1 of the same Dual Threaded 3.2 GHZ Power PC cores. (This must be Sony Magic)

(remember the PS3 and the Xbox360 have prety much the same IBM core, the Xbox has 3 the PS3 has 1 Plus 7 SPEs)

The artical clearly states that they are NOT using any SPEs for the PS3.

And as far as I know it is generally accepted that the GPU in the Xbox360 is at least slightly better that the one in the PS3 ( Possibly up to debate, but it's definatly NOT significantly worse)

[Kona Palangi]

I talked to a guy at GameStop and because he works there he has all the inside information because he's l33t like that. He told me the PS3 is pwnge over the 360 because the cell processor is like totally ginormous and it pwns the 360's thing. He said all games will run at a pwning 120fps and will obliterate the 360. Bottom line, the PS3 is way like totally more complexer than the 360!

[Blasterpez]

And we all know that gamestop is a bastion of intelligence and fairness.

I have an anecdotal story too, just to prove gamestop is at the top of its game. I have a friend that wanted a part time job and he applied there. They called him for an interview. They were so thorough, they had to call for a follow up interview, because when you are the leader in game and console selling, you have to put possible employees through several levels of background checks and polygraphs. And you thought gamestop just hired pimply teenagers for minimum wage.

[Kona Palangi]

Yeah the acne is not necessarily a prerequisite although I can only surmise the majority have it by sheer coincidence. We must rid the world of this horrible misconception that GS/EB employees are not l33t because they like totally are.

[Syrus15]

Let's just remember the Xbox 360 will have the largest library of games, so that means they will be the most fun.

Just because the power is at it's pinnacle doesn't necessarily mean that's a bad thing. Look at the PS2, they still make(and sell) games for it and it came out in 2000. And PS3 ports suck(No multiplayer in The Darkness, no 1080p in Lost Planet, ****ty online, etc).