PS3 Launch in 2007 if Xbox360 Fails

[Justin Buser]

Apparently the analysts at Wedbush Morgan have been quoted as saying that if the Xbox360 fails (define fail), then the PS3 launch could be delayed until 2007! This sounds like absolute bull to me. One - the Xbox360 shows absolutely no signs of failing, and even if it did why would Sony delay another year to launch? It simply doesnt make sense.

According to analysts at Wedbush Morgan, seemingly still unable to lay off the crack pipe, the PlayStation 3 will ship in 2007 if the Xbox 360 fails to ignite the hardware market.

We expect Sony to defer a decision regarding PS3 launch until it is able to assess the likely success of the Xbox 360, and anticipate that Sony will make its decision shortly after the Xbox 360 launch. We do not expect the PS3 until mid 2006, at the earliest, and should Microsoft fail to garner sufficient software support to gain an insurmountable lead, we think that there is a possibility that the PS3 launch will slip into early 2007.

Of course, this stands in stark contrast with wider expectations, set by Sony at The PlayStation meeting last week (albeit off the record) that we’ll see at least a Japanese launch of PlayStation 3 in spring 2006.

Sony is keeping tight-lipped on this as you might expect, though SPOnG cannot help wonder if the analysts quoted above have any tangible concept of what it takes to launch a videogame platform. The entire process is a massive undertaking and cannot be decided upon a whim, as suggested.

From manufacturing to retail, PR to third-party publishing/developing, SPOnG would assert that it’s simply impossible to maintain a transient console launch strategy as Wedbush Morgan describes.

Expect official comment from SCEI at the Tokyo Game Show in September.

Source: SPonG (http://news.spong.com/x?art=8967)

[Exxo]

Wow. What BS. These "analysts" are out of their minds. But there is a chance that this is true, when you recall all the other wild statements Sony and Ken Kutaragi have said.

[Grindstone]

No way, as Exxo knows from posting on engadget.com, a lot of people are jumping ship to Xbox 360 as the Sony hype machine is running out of steam. Sure, M$ may not reach the lofty numbers that Sony has/had for clientel, but it will definitely NOT "fail" as a next gen console. M$ has a lot of software support at this point, and I see it increasing with the success of the Xbox 360 and how well it will be received.

[Exxo]

Small world, Grindstone. I remember you, you posted the link to the article about the PS3 and Xbox 360 hardware. Thanks for that, it was an excellent read. You should put it here if you haven't already. Nice to see you here. A lot of people on Engadget were giving me props: I didn't mean to convert anybody, I was just stating the facts. One question for Grindstone: are you here because you have converted to Xbox 360, or are you just here for the info and discussion? Sorry to go off topic.

[Grindstone]

I'm actually pleased to have you here, Exxo. When I logged on this morning and saw your account, I was hopeful that it was you because I knew you would bring good level-headed discussions to the forums. I think you will contribute well to the general ambience here.

As to your question, well, truth be told, I have owned a lot of different consoles. When the PS3 was announced at E3, with all the specs, I was a Sony fanboi all of a sudden [before then, I was just a gaming fanboi]. Then over the next few months, and reading lots of literature and opinions/theories, I began to realize that I had been duked or maybe even "punked" as that dork Ashton Cruther would say, by the Sony marketing machine.

I garnered some of my info from totalnextgen.com, and I believe Matt put a "shameless" comment up about this new website which brought me here in search of more information. So it is a little of both (and I should have been more concise), Xbox 360 all the way; feed my brain with specs.

Now to gently bridge that huge missive into the topic at hand- how did these analysts come to the conclusion that Xbox 360 would "fail"? What information are they privy to that would lead them to believe such crap?

[pApA SmerF01]

i would have to say that the only thing the 360 will fail at is selling 20 million consoles by the end of the year.

grindstone, you were a ps fanboy? well glad to see you converted from the dark side.

anyways, there's really no way the 360 is going to fail. too much momentum. if the tokyo conference was that big, then think about what the u.s. and x05 conferences? there's too much riding on the entertainment division to have this fail. plus there's already so many preoders, the greatest launch lineup in history, the fact it is coming out up to a year before ps3, and and there's the 23 million xbox installed fanbase.

[Grindstone]

I was only a Sony fanboi for a limited time- we all make mistakes, no need to point fingers. Remember, I was a general gamer all along. I have a XBL account, it's been marginally active since 2003. I've bought 2 xboxs, one for me and another for a friend. I was a fence-sitter but now I see the light, or dark as you put it. I shall not look at Sony again until ~2010, when their hype machine starts up for the PS4, then I'll look again. No harm in that.

So, we're all coming to the same conclusion these analyst are not up to date on current developments. I think they are putting too much faith on the present Sony fan base. Launching in 2007 will definitely push consumers towards M$ and maybe Nintendo. Then, 3 years into the PS3, M$ will launch its next console and Sony will have a really bad day, over and over again. Hmm, maybe Sony just used these analyst to sort of massage the idea that they are pushing back the launch date (to fix the architecture design) and are trying to under-play the Xbox 360's impending success.

[Real Maximo]

Sony still think they have it in the bag but I for one am pissed of with the way Sony crap on europe.
FFXI where are you? The PAL version is complete but useless with out the HDD!

HDD goes a walk from the ps3 too.

[360]

that is such bullshoot coz they need 2 know how the 360 does so they can take out theyre bad stuff is it dosnt go so well for the 360 i mean what the hell what asshools

[Quade013]

It is amazing the stuff that will come out of the mouth of bean counters. I think that Sony is started to feel a bit of the pressure from the industry. In E3 Sony threw together a smoke and mirror show for everyone to gaze at in wonder. They are constantly feeding the rumor mill on any type of hardware and or price. Microsoft is certainly taken the drivers seat in the next-gen console war by being first to market. I think that the amount of third-party support that the 360 is recieving speaks for itself. I am completly excited about the launch in November and have no fears about the product being anything short of spectactular.

[Liquids]

Possibly... It could just be Sony trying to insure itself against the fact that they might not be ready for a 2006 PS3 launch. All they need to do is claim that the Xbox 360 was a failure (I'm sure Ken would have no trouble saying that - no matter how well the 360 sold) and they're safe.

If the PS3 had a late release wouldn't that just motivate more impatient customers to buy a 360?

[Justin Buser]

If the PS3 had a late release wouldn't that just motivate more impatient customers to buy a 360?

Another good point, and why this rumour is total bs :)

[MH_prophet]

omg what will be hearing next? If 360 and PS3 fail, Rev. isn't coming out til 2008!...

[Real Maximo]

lol so if does not fail the ps3 will be even more rushed just like the ps2.
It show the ps3 is not realy ready for a long time.

[Jacksmith28]

BS abosoulte BS

[korphaeron]

Nah, thats not clever and Sony know it isnt.
Im sure I heard SPoNG arent a very reliable source anyway?

[POPO21]

bs it willcome out i lil after 360 like in febuary because i said so i hate sony only 2 controllers thats also bs i happy because they are makeing 7 for ps3:)

[Grumpy Old Fart]

bs it willcome out i lil after 360 like in febuary because i said so

It must be nice, that fantasty world your living in :)

[The Ultimate Girl Gamer]

Well, there's no doubt that both 360 & PS3 will sell a good amount. But why the need to regard the actual sayings of it failing. Seems like Sony thinks they got it good: to release it in 2007 if 360 fails. There's no way!

[jt_mares]

[QUOTE=pApA SmerF01]i would have to say that the only thing the 360 will fail at is selling 20 million consoles by the end of the year.

with all the $$ M$ has put into promoting this thing, people are so stoked, if they can put 20 mil on the shelves, ya never know it could happen, they may just all dissapear, then what would crazy ken have to say?? but yeah prob wont happen

[Eothein]

Source: SPonG

^Thanks to that the article loses all credibility^

Plus most of the Analysts people things do not reflect what actually goes on and are mostly fan boys of Sony becuase that is the name most people will recognise and will take notice of the article. Plus as an example Anaylists were saying that come this time last year Ninty will have died and be losing the Handlehld wars, but that isn't happenign in fatc its quite the opposite.

Conclusion: take these things with a pinch of salt

[jag1491]

i thought that if XBOX 360 was a scuccess they would delay PS3

[Phantom]

This article shows why we should all say no to drugs or at least no to crack. I can just see it now. Ken Kutaragi is sitting in his office crying. When Wedbush Morgan walks in. Hey Ken you paged me ? There there dont cry. I have something that will make you forget your troubles.

2 minutes later, laughter is in the air. I dont know what to do Wedbush. The PS3 is coming out in 8 months and MS is going to get a jump on us. Pssst Ken how about if we put out a rumor that MS is buying Nintendo, No wait wait how about MS is buying JAPAN. That way, that way, wait what were we talking about. Hey dont worry, I will take care of MS for you Ken, so do wanna go online and play Halo2? You can be CrcKhdkEn and I will be CrcKhdWednEsdAY.

The easiest way to get someone to beleive what you are saying is to scare them into your idea. Webnush is just trying to scare people away from XBox360.

It kind of like a playoff series. Sony beat MS in game one like 10-6 but that score will not carry over to game two. Sure momentum is on the Sony side but in the end the winner will be decided when we see who has the most game developer and Sony is getting a real late start. The developers bring in the users.

[P Mack]

Sony is not retarted to delay the launch till 07. It is still a lose-lose situation for them both ways.
1. launch in spring 06: No major holidays to sell the PS3. Xbox will still be ahead.
2. TBA 2007: The Xbox 360 will have a major advantage by then with games and online.

[Phantom]

I would have to suggest that Sony launch the PS3 in limited numbers like maybe 1 or 2 and get started on the PS4 for Q4 2008

[Diamond]

I would have to suggest that Sony launch the PS3 in limited numbers like maybe 1 or 2 and get started on the PS4 for Q4 2008

That would tear up their fanbase like spraying a hot mexican burrito out of your butthole. They've already stated several times that they think the ps3 is the best thing in the world and will last 10 years, and is "1000 times more powerful than PS2" (all which makes me query the quality of Japanese drugs sometimes).

I'm going to level with you. The **ONLY** people I currently know who have "plans" to get a PS3 don't know ANYTHING about either system. Most of them come up with some made up information with no sources. I remember one telling me he said the PS3 is coming out...
"months before the 360,"
another told me the Xbox 360 is "just a computer with the new windows OS,"
"The PS3 already has 400 games coming out for it by christmas" (this year)
"The Xbox live thing is going to be 100$ per month" (LOL)
"MS and nintendo merged"
"ati cards suck" (wow!)
"xbox 360 is going to use cartridge based games now"
"the ps3 has 10 times the processing power of the 360"

The list goes on...

They might not all be EXACTLY word for word, it's to the best of my memory. The point is the jist of what they're saying. I'd honestly love to know where they get their info from. To sum it up, this is the knowledge base of the average PS fan that I meet. I could list them forever but they really don't differ much from that. It almost makes me feel like I have to educate people before I can talk to them. Keeps me awake, I guess. :coffee:

[P Mack]

That would tear up their fanbase like spraying a hot mexican burrito out of your butthole. They've already stated several times that they think the ps3 is the best thing in the world and will last 10 years, and is "1000 times more powerful than PS2" (all which makes me query the quality of Japanese drugs sometimes).

I'm going to level with you. The **ONLY** people I currently know who have "plans" to get a PS3 don't know ANYTHING about either system. Most of them come up with some made up information with no sources. I remember one telling me he said the PS3 is coming out...
"months before the 360,"
another told me the Xbox 360 is "just a computer with the new windows OS,"
"The PS3 already has 400 games coming out for it by christmas"
"The Xbox live thing is going to be 100$ per month" (LOL)
"MS and nintendo merged"
"ati cards suck" (wow!)
"xbox 360 is going to use cartridge based games now"
"the ps3 has 10 times the processing power of the 360"

The list goes on...

They might not all be EXACTLY word for word, it's to the best of my memory. The point is the jist of what they're saying. I'd honestly love to know where they get their info from. To sum it up, this is the knowledge base of the average PS fan that I meet. I could list them forever but they really don't differ much from that. It almost makes me feel like I have to educate people before I can talk to them. Keeps me awake, I guess. :coffee:
I feel your pain Diamond. I'm in school and everyone always tells me "PS3 is comming out on Halloween", "The PS3 can also play PC games", "The PS3 is going to get Halo :stupid:.", "PS3 will also have a demo of the PS4" :stupid: It is always a battle between my schoolmates, friends, computer teachers and even family (those disputes get ugly!). I feel like my life is a constant battle between PS people and me.

[Grindstone]

C'est le vie, as they say in Frnech.

I've come across a few ignorant fanbois as well. Despite my attempts to educate them, it doesn't get very far. The dream world they live in is too convincing, and my logic escapes them.

Anyway, I think we've come to the conclusion, based upon our own understanding of the gaming world (as gamers), it would not benefit Sony to launch a console in `07 and lose 2 prior Holiday seasons to Msoft and one to Nintendo. I just do not think the droves of fanbois could wait that long while the MSoft fans and Nintendo fans bask in second generation goodness. Pure and simple, it just doesn't make sense.

The closest I come to understanding that mentality would be if prices to build the PS3 dropped significantly so that it was cheaper to afford. Still not very likely in my book. I'd pity the Sony loyalists if it did launch in `07, then laugh at them `cuz I'm not all about the love.

[tkd_guy]

It will basically be like last gen, pretty even. No one system will dominate the other. At least not so fast, it will take a long long time for one of these companies to out-sell the other.

[Jeet]

bs it willcome out i lil after 360 like in febuary because i said so i hate sony only 2 controllers thats also bs i happy because they are makeing 7 for ps3:)
you better have a projector to get 7 people playin on one screen

[P Mack]

you better have a projector to get 7 people playin on one screen
I do. I'm not gonna get the PS3. I'll use it for my 360. On topic: Sony might as well scratch PS3 and start on PS4 for Q4 of 2011.

[Diamond]

I do. I'm not gonna get the PS3. I'll use it for my 360. On topic: Sony might as well scratch PS3 and start on PS4 for O4 of 2011.

Given their remaining credibility, that would appear to me as their most threatening move right now. (Note: when I say "most threatening" I mean that it would be just threatening enough to make me think "wow, they're not bankrupt yet?")

But for the PS3 - A 2007 launch would be political suicide. 2006 is their only hope.

[tkd_guy]

Can't get any other system, not made of money. Plus I'll be getting a new HD LCD so I need to save up.

[P Mack]

Given their remaining credibility, that would appear to me as their most threatening move right now. (Note: when I say "most threatening" I mean that it would be just threatening enough to make me think "wow, they're not bankrupt yet?")

But for the PS3 - A 2007 launch would be political suicide. 2006 is their only hope.
Your right on that. The other post was just a joke. Unless if Sony's fanbase will still wait for PS3 and everyone buys 100 PS3 per month in each country, I think it will be a lose -lose situation for them with system sales in launching late. (PS2 launced earlier than Xbox and has more system sales that Xbox).

[Diamond]

Your right on that. The other post was just a joke. Unless if Sony's fanbase will still wait for PS3 and everyone buys 100 PS3 per month in each country, I think it will be a lose -lose situation for them with system sales in launching late. (PS2 launced earlier than Xbox and has more system sales that Xbox).

Yep, and MS has much better resources, services and market suavy. They know what they're doing. Sony on the other hand... Well... They have, umm... Uhh... Name calling abilities? Damnit, I just can't think of anything. :hmmmm2: :confused: :p ... ( :hahaha: :laugh: )

[Agent Smith]

Sony can deny it all they want. They lived off the back of the PS1 for PS2. The PS1 was a good system (originally developed to be the CD add on for the SNES, hence probably why it was good). The built up a huge fan base from that machine. They advertised the Dreamcast out of contention with wild claims and statements of what could be. Then they launched a year or more before the other consoles. Most people bought a PS2 because of PS1 reputation. The people that were on the fence started asking their friends what system they had. More of them had the PS2 because of the early start and name recognition. I'll bet that if XBOX 180 had luanched within the same month as PS2, we'd be looking at a tie right now. I do own a PS2 (bought from a garage sale) I will not buy a PS3. I may however buy a Revolution to go with my 360 if they have some great games.

[Diamond]

Sony can deny it all they want. They lived off the back of the PS1 for PS2. The PS1 was a good system (originally developed to be the CD add on for the SNES, hence probably why it was good). The built up a huge fan base from that machine. They advertised the Dreamcast out of contention with wild claims and statements of what could be. Then they launched a year or more before the other consoles. Most people bought a PS2 because of PS1 reputation. The people that were on the fence started asking their friends what system they had. More of them had the PS2 because of the early start and name recognition. I'll bet that if XBOX 180 had luanched within the same month as PS2, we'd be looking at a tie right now. I do own a PS2 (bought from a garage sale) I will not buy a PS3. I may however buy a Revolution to go with my 360 if they have some great games.

Yup, that's how it goes. What's funny is everywhere I go now I run into new people having a conversation about the xbox. It's kinda neat. Gets your attention right away. :)

Oh by the way, love the name! "Mr. Anderson" I love how he says that. It's great! :)

[ColdSpyder]

how bout this sony dont even bother making a new system lol

[xpitbull]

so the ps3 is coming in 2007, because x360 is selling like crazy

[Jay2984]

Sony would never wait until 2007 for the release, every month they wait theres going to be more PS fans going to the 360, and they will be losing big bucks. When it comes down to it were all gamers and we just want to play the best games and have the best system thats available but it also depends on the amount of time we have to wait. if the PS3 was being released in Nov and we were hearing that the 360 wasnt going to be in stores for another year i would definetly get a PS3 but most likely not on launch day rather wait a few months. I praise MS for getting the 360 done this year and putting their customers first by releasing a great system.