Americas Console

[Sci-Fi Shooter]

The sony hype machine is starting to faulter. Recent info suggests that a stripping of the PS3 componets directly related to a faultering schedual and overall identity crisis for sonys new machine.

See here:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2005/7/12/700

[Iron Orta]

Cost of manufacturing a PS3 seems to be really hurting them. Price is an important factor and losing the hard drive will cost owners of the PS3 in the future. I mean how many people bought a game cube because its was to low a price to resist.

[Vash]

Yeah seriously. I think Sony is making a very bad choice removing all those features.

[MH_prophet]

I'm guessing that the list of dropped features is jost going to get bigger and bigger.

And wow, the format of these forums is niiiice!

[Vash]

Glad you like them.

[Justin Buser]

I am very pleased with the way they turned out as well!

[Dan]

The funny part is that as soon as Sony dropped Bluetooth (I think it was that), Nintendo announced that it would be adding it.

It's really too bad, though. I like my Gamecube, but was planning on picking up a PS3. However, if it costs $500 and lacks any noteworthy features, I may wait a few months.

[Sci-Fi Shooter]

Appearent Sony is adding a new feature to the ps3, see it here:

http://www.ps3grill.com/

[Mr.Combine]

The PS3 is also losing support of many Big-Wig developers besides the Japanese ones also Ken K. appears to be hollow in appearance to many people now.

[pApA SmerF01]

The PS3 is also losing support of many Big-Wig developers besides the Japanese ones also Ken K. appears to be hollow in appearance to many people now.

that's true, here in america, we are beginning to turn against playstation's monopolistic control over the market share, and in turn the rest of the world is beginning to take a serious look at the 360 whereas they weren't before.

sure a poll was taken in japan and only 30 of the people wanted a 360 over the ps3, but that's going to change as soon as all the smoke and mirrors are gone and those japanese are left with a half-generation console and crap games while those 30 people will be kickin' it with the millions of people on live and enjoying halo3, gears of war, and whatever else they want!

i think mistwalker signing with xbox for those 2 rpg's was a huge blow to scea

[Grindstone]

The majority of us knew that Sony would be cutting features, but I have a feeling it is not over yet. What will the masses have to give up next? 1080p? Hmm...

[Mr.Combine]

Every friggin week the PS3 is losing support. I mean think about expensive, hype , hollow and empty promises: The PS3 will fail and because of its longer than hell release date it will have to be good in sales and performance for ppl to buy it in huge numbers.

[ugotfragged]

actually ^^^^^^^^^^^ your wrong people all over teh USA are more interested in ps3 and the others just want both becasue of teh ps3's grpahics WHICH ARE BETTER YOU ALL NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH! and then they want an xbox for halo and the xbox live. which does not out wigh the ps3 in demand. also with the pricing speculation with all of you sayin ITS GONNA BE $500 no its gonna be around $299-$359. you all need to check that casue KAZ HURAI EVEN SAID THAT IT WILL BE AROUND THAT PRICE point. and who cares just sell all your old consoles and get both.

[MH_prophet]

I think it's true that Sony's monopolistic grip is definitely coming to an end. I think control could go either way, to MS or Nintendo.

[Iron Orta]

I think its a bit to early to say!!! and to be honest ill be getting a 360. What Sony do with there PS3 i really couldnt care ;) they can add a grill for all i care. I think xbox live really made the last xbox and its going to be tough 4 sony to compete with that.

They add features like browse the internet and add music to ur ipod; if i wanted to do all that i would use my PC!!!

[BlazeD..]

I have to say that Sonys hold over the states is really slipping.

[Grindstone]

actually ^^^^^^^^^^^ your wrong people all over teh USA are more interested in ps3 and the others just want both becasue of teh ps3's grpahics WHICH ARE BETTER YOU ALL NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH! and then they want an xbox for halo and the xbox live. which does not out wigh the ps3 in demand. also with the pricing speculation with all of you sayin ITS GONNA BE $500 no its gonna be around $299-$359. you all need to check that casue KAZ HURAI EVEN SAID THAT IT WILL BE AROUND THAT PRICE point. and who cares just sell all your old consoles and get both.

Wow, when you get worked up, you tend to loose your basic spelling and grammar skills. Best keep your cool, articulate your idea into cohesive sentences. It keeps the forum more fluid.

Okay, you claim that the RSX will be better. Obviously you have some sort of info that the rest of us do not, please feel free to enlighten us on your claim. Also, could you post a link to the Kaz Hurai quote on the PS3 price. The lowest I have seen thus far is $399. Maybe if they keep cutting features it will be $299, or maybe Kaz already factored that aspect into his quote.

[cmpolis]

Maybe sony should make two models, one more expensive one with all the original features and one that is more affordable.

[Mr.Combine]

Well that was a previous rumour PSX or PS3. Sony isnt looking too good right now they have lost ALOT of support. Remember Sony has about 2 years to release and two years is pretty long away. The Xbox 360 will score very high sales in my opinion since already the preorders are running low on it. I really really really do think the X-360 will be an incredible system. :)

[pApA SmerF01]

actually ^^^^^^^^^^^ your wrong people all over teh USA are more interested in ps3 and the others just want both becasue of teh ps3's grpahics WHICH ARE BETTER YOU ALL NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH! and then they want an xbox for halo and the xbox live. which does not out wigh the ps3 in demand. also with the pricing speculation with all of you sayin ITS GONNA BE $500 no its gonna be around $299-$359. you all need to check that casue KAZ HURAI EVEN SAID THAT IT WILL BE AROUND THAT PRICE point. and who cares just sell all your old consoles and get both.

sorry to burst your bubble, but since sony is in serious debt, they can't lose a lot of money on the sale of the ps3 console.

as it stands right now the console will cost roughly 525 bucks to produce. in your logic that'd be at least a 175 dollar loss....they cannot lose that much.

why would you want to sell all your old consoles to get 2 consoles?

i am only getting one and i'm not selling my nes, snes, genesis, dreamcast, atari, or my xbox.

sorry to burst your bubble but if you're serious, you need to do your research and not troll on these boards.

[pApA SmerF01]

actually ^^^^^^^^^^^ your wrong people all over teh USA are more interested in ps3 and the others just want both becasue of teh ps3's grpahics WHICH ARE BETTER YOU ALL NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH! and then they want an xbox for halo and the xbox live. which does not out wigh the ps3 in demand. also with the pricing speculation with all of you sayin ITS GONNA BE $500 no its gonna be around $299-$359. you all need to check that casue KAZ HURAI EVEN SAID THAT IT WILL BE AROUND THAT PRICE point. and who cares just sell all your old consoles and get both.

oh one more thing...those graphix you saw at e3 were PRERENDERED CGI. not actual representation of what the graphics will be! so until they release real IN-GAME FOOTAGE you need to hold your tongue on that unless you understand the basic physics of a graphics processor. because i would love to get into a technical argument with you....i do it all the time...... :)

[MH_prophet]

Yeah, Sony definitely can't afford to lose money on the PS3, what with the dual-shock lawsuit, the loss of money on the PSP (they planned to make up the production costs on software, which they didn't), and their ever-hardening image as complete bull****ers. Yup, Sony is definetely on the ropes in this gen. In the beginning I thought the Rev. might be on the ropes as well (for a slew of completely different reasons), but it is gaining support fast as more info is revealed. The 360 has been in a cozy position from the beginning.

[ugotfragged]

oh one more thing...those graphix you saw at e3 were PRERENDERED CGI. not actual representation of what the graphics will be! so until they release real IN-GAME FOOTAGE you need to hold your tongue on that unless you understand the basic physics of a graphics processor. because i would love to get into a technical argument with you....i do it all the time...... :)


ACTUALLY 1up even interviewed a programmer from gurilla games which said that only 1/4 of the presentation was CGI which was the very beggining in the clouds and the rest was IN GAME SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO YOUR RESEARCH FANBOY. you all are so unbiased. yeah ths may be a xbox360 site but you cant deny teh facts. see wat M$ did after E3 they released press packets trying to say "we dont even know how sony thinks they can get that much power in a console" IF thats the fact then why thte hell do M$ say taht there console is more powerful. EVEN DEVOLPERS HAVE CHOSEN PS3 over the xbox360 becasue it has more power in there console.

[ugotfragged]

sorry to burst your bubble, but since sony is in serious debt, they can't lose a lot of money on the sale of the ps3 console.

as it stands right now the console will cost roughly 525 bucks to produce. in your logic that'd be at least a 175 dollar loss....they cannot lose that much.

why would you want to sell all your old consoles to get 2 consoles?

i am only getting one and i'm not selling my nes, snes, genesis, dreamcast, atari, or my xbox.

sorry to burst your bubble but if you're serious, you need to do your research and not troll on these boards.

GOD YOU JUST MUST BE THE DUMBEST PERSON ON THE BOARDS.

the Ps3 was estimated by 1up/ign and c.net by manufacture costs at $475 NOT 525. second why wouldnt i sell my consoles to get 2 new next gen consoles that are when combined more powerful than all the old consoles put together WHY THE HELL NOT. i dont play my atari2600, dreamcast,segacd,nes,snes,playstation,n64,andps2,o rxbox(no games that are good havent even come out in the past 3 months). amd all the games for them except MGS3,Halo2,Burnout3. thats good if you want to save your old consoles but not for me
.

[MH_prophet]

I think you mean biased, not UNbiased. And no, we're not biased, even Sony fans are saying those Killzone trailers are fake. Call it skeptic, realism, whatever you like, but it's NOT fanboyism.

[pApA SmerF01]

ACTUALLY 1up even interviewed a programmer from gurilla games which said that only 1/4 of the presentation was CGI which was the very beggining in the clouds and the rest was IN GAME SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO YOUR RESEARCH FANBOY. you all are so unbiased. yeah ths may be a xbox360 site but you cant deny teh facts. see wat M$ did after E3 they released press packets trying to say "we dont even know how sony thinks they can get that much power in a console" IF thats the fact then why thte hell do M$ say taht there console is more powerful. EVEN DEVOLPERS HAVE CHOSEN PS3 over the xbox360 becasue it has more power in there console.

i have a question...how can it be in game when the graphics chip hasn't even been created yet. also, the executive producer said in an interview with ign that those graphics are a representation of what they HOPE TO ACHIEVE!!

that isn't in game, you can fool yourself all you want. decode the pixellations if you want to. i did. they're cgi. they're prerendered. and the fact that you can't realize that shows your shortcomings in the intelligence department.

also, what is your proof that ps3 is more powerful? the microscopic bandwidth? the pathetic g70 graphics processor? or maybe it's the cell, with its spe's that have no data rendering capabilities and have to be run through an in-line mode to be anywhere near efficient?

have you ever tried to code through 8 individual channels? the ps3 is not going to be more powerful than the 360. it may be as powerful, but you need to do your research.

also, the next time you try to call someone dumb, you might want to use proper english, instead of misconstrued quick-typing.

my suggestion to you...proofread your posts, and don't flame.

[ugotfragged]

IF developers are saying taht the PS3 is more powerful than the xbox360 than it is more powerful. microsoft is counting on tehre guide features and xbox live to be able to help them deal with the shortcomings of there console. there are hundreds of articles stating that the ps3 is more powerful than the xbox by far, and these statments came from professional anylasts and programmers. so why would you believe M$ there just going to say that there console is so good blah blah blah. the same is happening to sony where there saying that there console is more powerful. but wants the professionals that have no affiliation with the parent compaines analyze the hardware or the specifications then we will know. which they have and have said that the PS3 is more powerful than the xbox360.

[pApA SmerF01]

IF developers are saying taht the PS3 is more powerful than the xbox360 than it is more powerful. microsoft is counting on tehre guide features and xbox live to be able to help them deal with the shortcomings of there console. there are hundreds of articles stating that the ps3 is more powerful than the xbox by far, and these statments came from professional anylasts and programmers. so why would you believe M$ there just going to say that there console is so good blah blah blah. the same is happening to sony where there saying that there console is more powerful. but wants the professionals that have no affiliation with the parent compaines analyze the hardware or the specifications then we will know. which they have and have said that the PS3 is more powerful than the xbox360.

name them. i want to see some names. every time i see someone up in arms about the ps3, it's a representative of nVidia or UE3.

they're partners with ps3 and they have to spread good pr!

also, the mgs and gta devs have licensing contracts with sony so they have to spread good pr! look at anandtech's article comparing the 2 and draw your own biased conclusions.

your points are obviously moot and i don't understand why you're trolling on an xbox360 forum.

[ugotfragged]

haha the anandatech article said that the ps3 is more powerful just alot more difficult to program for than the xbox360.

[pApA SmerF01]

haha the anandatech article said that the ps3 is more powerful just alot more difficult to program for than the xbox360.

no they don't. they don't come to conclusions. i'd like you to post a link to where they say "THE PLAYSTATION IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE XBOX360"

i read the article. i don't want your speculation because you are obviously a troller and a fanboy. i want hard evidence which you have provided none.

[Mr.Combine]

fragged my advice your going to be (The following is a reference to the TNG forums) the new "Swift" and Smerf is going to be the new "Lupus" and your going to get your *** pwned by him because you flame, act like a fan-boy dont even read articles and assume that they say WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO SAY and also you just act like a plain as$hole. Do yourself a favor STFU.

[MH_prophet]

lol I was thinking that same thing Mr. C.

[pApA SmerF01]

fragged my advice your going to be (The following is a reference to the TNG forums) the new "Swift" and Smerf is going to be the new "Lupus" and your going to get your *** pwned by him because you flame, act like a fan-boy dont even read articles and assume that they say WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO SAY and also you just act like a plain as$hole. Do yourself a favor STFU.

thankyou mr. c.

yeah, me and lupus have had a few arguments between us, lol.

all i want is fact, non-biased fact.

if he can present it to me with a link to a non-biased site, like eurogamer or something along those lines, i would be happy to concede the argument.

[Mr.Combine]

No offense fragged but dont take what I said personally you can still salvage your reputation and become fair and non-fan boyish. Theres some things I like about the PS3 and some things I like about the Xbox 360 (So far the Rev. has nothing I want I would rather stick to my good old SNES) Really I dont care so much about the GPU Speeds, or which company is helping out which company! They dont give a FLYING F*** about us! All they care about is the money we carry! So really why care whos who!? Its like with voting for politicians what the h*** does it matter who gets elected your life is still going to be filled with fun and excitement! And it will sometimes still suck! Thats why I dont care which company is which I have a PS2 (Which broke twice because the makers of it forgot to put enough fans to cool it down but it has decent graphics and alot of games I like and I can sit back and watch a DVD! Or I can play all my Kick-A$$ FPSes on my Xbox, play splinter cell and watch DVDS! I have a GC which has some fun games on it like the good star wars games, I personally love the strategy in Pikmin and one of my favorite FPEs ever: DIE HARD: VENDETTA! Thats why each console will have its own disadvantages and advantages.

[MH_prophet]

Well said Mr. C, I wouldn't say I agree with you on everything there, but great post!

[Mr.Combine]

Your entitled to your opinion C-11 just as we all are ;)