which cable for my HDTV?????????

[playa4real]

hi guys i'm so dummy :smile: with elctronics...i bought an HDTV which has something like DVI-I what is that cable cuz it doesn't look like the one in XBOX's site.

pleases tell me cuz i'm so excited about using my xbox 360 with HDTV


respect for all ya

[jt_mares]

for hd you need to plug the red, green, and blue into the coresponding colors for "component in" then the other three are the red/white audio, plug into whatever you run ur sound through and the yellow is the composite video which you dont need to plug in. hope it helped

[playa4real]

thanx a lot

[playa4real]

sorry man but the HD plug in the TV look strange to me i'll post a picture to let u see it.

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17np2.jpg

which HD cable fit in that one

please cuz if there is no cable for XBOX360 fits there i'll change the TV but the problem i have to change it by tommorow cuz i'm leaving the country for a while


please guys anyone have an idea.

[playa4real]

guys i'm sorry i went and asked them and they told me that it need an external device ......... anyway i'll go tomorrow and return it.

[DimitriC2982]

^^^ whats better for my xbox 360

[purp]

lcd's are hdtv's. what you mean to ask. is what type of hdtv is best, Plasma,LCD or Tube.

Go with tube or lcd. Plasma may suffer from screen burn.
Tubes are cheaper than lcds. You have a better viewing angle with a tube.

[DimitriC2982]

oh yeah my bad thats what i meant thanks for the response

[360rulz]

depneds. i think tubes are fat(like a reg tv right?), while you could hang your lcd on your cieling and play in bed


but a 45 inch lcd will run you $10G

[ChopperDave]

From everything I have read, Each has its Advantages/Disadvantages. CRT's are great but weigh a ton. LCD's deliver great colors, but due to response time issues with most LCD's, I've read that they tend to have some blurring especially when playing video games. Plasmas definitely have the best colors, but they tend to suffer from burn in. Although some of the newer more expensive plasmas have constant cycling pixels that help to prevent burn in. I have also heard that plasmas also have a degauss (sp?) feature that allows you to remove burn in, but it takes like 12 - 24 hrs for the process to run. Do a search on google for comparison of LCD vs Plasma vs CRT and you can find a lot of great info to read over. Hope this helps.

[ChuckSteak0331]

Just a little hit on the plasma part. Plasmas cannot produce a true black. They are brighter due to the way they work, but connot produce true black. and with some they recommend a 500 hour break in time before you play any video games. Lcd's arent bad and you were right. As for CRT's, samsung came out with a slim fit TV, its pretty nice. CRT's also give you the best picture possible out of any TVs. Its all about personal taste brother.

[PAINKILLER1009]

500 hours break in :eek: thats something new to me. hell at 5 hrs a day thats 100 days before you could play. screw that.

[Disturbed360]

Is this good hdtv?

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4041301&JRSource=nextag.datafeed.SAM+TXR3079

[Jacksmith28]

Yes. but why is shipping $133?!

[Doughboy17]

yeah thats good for the price kinda lakcing on the ports but its got what you need good thing to hdmi if your thinking ps3 :)

[Disturbed360]

Yes. but why is shipping $133?!

Its shipping from New york to Corpus christi, Texas (jus a few Miles From the mexico border.)

[Jacksmith28]

Its shipping from New york to Corpus christi, Texas (jus a few Miles From the mexico border.)

Oh. ok. lol. u should just buy it at a store somewhere and buy 2 xbox 360 games with the money you save

[DeathDealer]

Ok so i got a HDTV monitor for christmas and i plugged in the wires like the hand book says and i get sound but no picture? i look in the book and it tells me to look at the page that tells me to look in the back of the book were i am! i switch that little thing to hdtv my system turns off. i put it to 720p and my system loses picture, i dont understand arghh!! help please.

[Redshirt013]

Did you turn the box off before making the switch? And make sure you read the manual to your monitor as well...

[Zrolimit]

Make sure your HDTV supports 720p. I have a 53" Panasonic HDTV and it only supports resolutions in: 480i, 480p and 1080i. If I switch to 720p on my XBOX, the screen will go black and all I get is sound as well. This seems to be your problem, but in the chance that it's not you might want to check your TV settings to make sure it does not have an option to switch it from it's native mode (whatever that maybe) to a higher or lower resolution.

[Jaysama]

Okay here's another question.

my XBox360 ... I know it works best with an HDTV. Oi, first off. Anyways, I was looking at some of the HDTV stuff. Now you buy at first what's called a monitor, which is like a regular TV i guess. and THEN you buy a HDTV reciever (an additional 200 bucks or so). Now do I need to buy that reciever to get the enhanced graphics outta my XBox360, or do I just need to buy the 'monitor'. Anyone familiar with all this?

[truGamer]

well if it is an HDTV monitor, no u dont need to spen the other $200.

[Italia_NYC]

Actually, if by "receiver", you mean TV tuner, then yes, you do need one (ie. a Cable Box provided to you by your provider).

An HDTV Monitor does not have a built in ATSC, HDTV Tuner.

However; you do not need a Tuner to get high-def images from your 360. You can simply connect the 360 to one of the TV's component inputs. Done.

[ZpYkE]

lol i know why, you know the part of the av cord that hooks up to the 360, there is a lil switch there, you should switch it to hdtv and problem solved ;) but now i have a question... wich is better 720p or 1080i???

[DeadOneWalking]

720P is better

[DeathDealer]

i already used the lil tricky switch still dont work...

[Redshirt013]

srry bro - dont know what 2 do next - u try the manual 4 the monitor?

[BigPolo]

make sure you have all of the connections plugged into the back of your TV. You need to be using the Red & White for sound and the Yellow, Blue & Green component plugs for video on an HD monitor/TV. If that doesn't work check your TV's native resolution and what resolutions it supports and adjust the Xbox in the console screen to one of the supported resolutions.

[bentout]

I'm guessing you have already gone through the following steps:

Connect an Xbox 360 console to a high-definition TV
1. Turn off the Xbox 360 console.
2. Connect the D-Connector HD AV Cable to the AV port on the Xbox 360 console.
3. Set the HDTV switch on the AV Connector to HDTV.

Note Only set the switch to HDTV if the TV supports high-definition resolution, such as 480p, 720p, or 1080i.
4. Connect the D-connector on the D-Connector HD AV Cable to the corresponding D-connector jack on the high-definition TV. Do not use the yellow RCA composite video connector.
5. Connect the red and white RCA audio connectors on the D-Connector HD AV Cable to the corresponding colored input jacks on the HDTV.
6. Turn on the Xbox 360 console. In the System section, you can change your display and HDTV settings. Select the appropriate high-definition video setting for the HDTV.

[AIR MCNAIR 9]

If your looking at TV's and it says "HD Monitor", all that means is the TV has the capability of showing a High Def source. You provide that TV with an XBOX 360, "over-the-air" HD Tuner, HD satellite receiver, HD cable box and it will show you HD when applicable. If it says "HD Built-In" then it comes with an "over-the-air" HD Tuner built in, so you can get your local channels in HD. ONLY Difference between the two is with one you can watch your local channels in HD right outta the box, other you can't. If you have satellite or cable, the HD Built-In is usually not something worth spending the extra money for b/c you can get your local channels in HD through your satellite or cable provider.

[ZpYkE]

maybe u connected the video cables in the output part

[Jacksmith28]

Dude, just mess around with it. You will figure it out! Trust me!

[Eilujin]

you sure your TV supports 720p, It may only support 1080i.

[owninglegend]

does anyone know a good hdtv,thats like a 27 to 32 inch and it also works good on the 360.

[Drunkship]

I don't own an HDTV, but from what I've read Samsung makes really good HDTVs. 7e4 (http://sevenefour.com/) has some really cheap Samsung TVs, check it out.

Before buying one however, try to read some user reviews on the exact model.

[Stoke360]

I am planning on getting a Toshiba 26HF85 ( http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=26HF85 ) which supports 1080i. I know most games don't support that, so my question is: Will this TV display automotically in 720p if that's the highest the game supports?

[Doughboy17]

up well depends what you set you xbox to if you xbox is set to 720p then your tv will recive 720p but you can change it if you want remember the tv can only recive the signal it is sent

[Italia_NYC]

up well depends what you set you xbox to if you xbox is set to 720p then your tv will recive 720p but you can change it if you want remember the tv can only recive the signal it is sent


Unfortunately it's not nearly that simple. An HDTV display device will accept just about any signal you feed it; it will then either upconvert or downconvert that into a resolution your TV supports. In the case of Fixed-pixel devices (LCD, DLP, Plasma...) it will up/downconvert to your displays native resolution.

That particular TV you are looking at Stoke appears to ONLY support 1080i. That means no matter what you feed it, that TV will upconvert it to 1080i. For example; if you feed it a 720P signal, your TV will convert that to 1080i. I also see that TV has an option to manually select 540P (a Popular resolution with
Toshiba sets). Though it is an odd resolution, it is a Progressive format and may "downconvert" the incoming 720P signal better than "upconverting" to 1080i. Only your eyes can tell. I could go on for hours.......

For the best (and artifact free) picture, it would be best to obviously feed that TV what it wants; an 1080i signal where possible.

[fmhsxc2010]

I got the Core Package and I have an HD TV and I wanted to upgrade to High-Definition, so I stopped by the store the other day and noticed that there were about 3 different kinds. Is there a huge differece from the cheaper ones than the $70 cords?

[Italia_NYC]

First, stay away from anything with the word "Monster" on it.

Second, you don't need a $70 cable for your Xbox. The $39 one at Bestbuy will do you just fine.

[TrueBalla215]

how is the graphics for nba 2k6 for xbox360 without High defintion ? is it still good graphics ?

[marc]

you want the offical xbox 360 component cables theres vga cables and others component is the best

[360rulz]

good question... i'll brolly buy it used in a few months and want to know how it will look

[360rulz]

yea get the one that comes with the premium. it's a cool cable it plits so that the extra plugs are easy to access, but if you dont have HD you can push them out of the way.

[Stoke360]

Thanks

[Scotracer]

I have a similar question, my HDTV supports DVI-I and component inputs, which is better for higher quality image? I am running the standard 360 premium HD component cable and it looks amazing but i was wondering if i used the DVI would it look any better and which cable do you suggest?

I know there is the official 360 VGA cable which is compatible with the DVI input but would this give a superior picture?

[Italia_NYC]

I have a similar question, my HDTV supports DVI-I and component inputs, which is better for higher quality image? I am running the standard 360 premium HD component cable and it looks amazing but i was wondering if i used the DVI would it look any better and which cable do you suggest?

I know there is the official 360 VGA cable which is compatible with the DVI input but would this give a superior picture?

The only right answer is try it and see for yourself. Contrary to popular belief, DVI/HDMI is not superior to Component. It is a different means (albeit digital means) to carry your video signals, as opposed to the Analog means carried by Component. Those who don't know much in the A/V world and believe what their local BestBuy salesmen tell them, fall into the belief that the digital-to-digital connection is the holy grail of connections. Truth is, more often than not, my clients (and myself) prefer the image they get from a component connection. This is not always the case, but the bottom line is, EVERY television is different, and every input on every television is not created equal. Throw in the fact that we are all unique individuals and all perceive light and color differently, and you'll see there is no right or wrong answer. You just have to choose for yourself which looks better.

[bentout]

Italia NYC is absolutely correct.

There has been a long standing argument on HDMI/DVI verse Component based on signal formats - the "pure digital" argument--that by taking a digital recording, such as a DVD or a digital satellite signal, and rendering it straight into digital form as a DVI or HDMI signal, and then delivering that digital signal straight to the display, there is a sort of a perfect no-loss-and-no-alteration-of-information signal chain. If the display itself is a native digital display (e.g. an LCD or Plasma display), the argument goes, the signal never has to undergo digital-to-analog conversion and therefore is less altered along the way. That might be true, were it not for the fact that digital signals are encoded in different ways and have to be converted, and that these signals have to be scaled and processed to be displayed, which eliminates the pure digital belief.

Analog component video is an extremely robust signal type; I've run analog component, without any need for boosters, relays or other special equipment, up to 200 feet without any signal quality issues at all. However, at long lengths, cable quality can be a consideration--in particular, impedance needs to be strictly controlled to a tight tolerance (ideally, 75 +/- 1.5 ohms) to prevent problems with signal reflection which can cause ghosting or ringing.

So as stated by Italia NYC component cables are just fine and as I've expressed above high quality (expensive) cables are really unnecessary unless you are running long lengths.

[Scotracer]

Thanks alot!!
I think ill keep my component just now and maybe later on try a different one, I am enjoying the level of detail produced from the component anyway, Call of Duty is unbelievable in its detail!

Thanks for the help

[$n!']['cH]

Hey guys Im a noobie to xbox360, I have a Sony-57ws655 with built in hd and everything, but the resolution only will go to 420p and my tv supports up to 1080i, I dont know what im doing wrong. I got the hd component connecters for xbox360, but when i try to change the resolution on set-up you cant see anything and it changes back to 420p! If anybody can help me that would be great.

[Eothein]

['cH"]Hey guys Im a noobie to xbox360, I have a Sony-57ws655 with built in hd and everything, but the resolution only will go to 420p and my tv supports up to 1080i, I dont know what im doing wrong. I got the hd component connecters for xbox360, but when i try to change the resolution on set-up you cant see anything and it changes back to 420p! If anybody can help me that would be great.

Theres a little switch on the HDTV cable at the back of the console it may be set on TV if so set it to HD, if that doesn't work try going throught the menu blades and seeing if you can change it there.

Stupid question I know but check to see if are you using all the compopnent cables?

[bentout]

Adjust the setting to the highest resolution - in your case 1080i.

[$n!']['cH]

Well I tried checking, making sure the little switch was set to HD and it was. Made sure all componet wires were in, they were. Tried changing to 1080i on console but it changes back to 480p. I have a sony 57in.model# kdp-57ws655.
If anyone has this tv or knows anything let me know. I checked the book the tv came with and it says up to 1080i, I dont understand?

[Eothein]

Neither do I there may be a fault with your TV, is ther any TV speciallists in your area that coudl help you out, I suggest you give them a ring.

If not phone Sony and see what they say to do and hope they don't put the phone down when you say Xbox.

[bentout]

Is it broadcasting in the right resolution through your satellite/cable box?

[$n!']['cH]

i got it thanks guys for the support. Had to mess with my settings on the tv! Now im running it at 1080i-WOW! P.S. Im looking for some live friends, i am PooJaK.

[cskeller07]

the ones from microsoft suck. the ones that i got from best buy are made by pellican are double coated, they have true gold plated ends on them unlike the microsoft ones, and also have a 5 year warranty

[QuantuM]

the ones from microsoft suck. the ones that i got from best buy are made by pellican are double coated, they have true gold plated ends on them unlike the microsoft ones, and also have a 5 year warranty

I have the same ones.. they are much better i agree.:adore:

[jt_mares]

last time i checked however pelican isnt known for the quality of their merch. why not just stick to the cables that were created for the 360 and be happy?

[cskeller07]

last time i checked however pelican isnt known for the quality of their merch. why not just stick to the cables that were created for the 360 and be happy?
i think a 5 year warranty is pretty high quality. its more than the microsoft ones

[jt_mares]

yay for cables that you're probbablly gonna have to replace a few times in the lifespan of ur 360, im happy with mine

[cskeller07]

yay for cables that you're probbablly gonna have to replace a few times in the lifespan of ur 360, im happy with mine
well i know if i have to replace mine ill get new ones for free. and they have higher quality than the microsoft ones so they will last longer anyways

[jt_mares]

haha can i have some of what you've been smoking please, cheaper price means lesser quality bud. pelican is definatlly not a superior brand

[cskeller07]

haha can i have some of what you've been smoking please, cheaper price means lesser quality bud. pelican is definatlly not a superior brand
obviusly you have never heard of markup. and all your paying for on the microsoft cales is the name. i work at best buy our discount is 5% over cost. those cables cost just to make as the pelican ones. they juat have a big markup. its all just the microsoft logo on the cables

[QuantuM]

haha can i have some of what you've been smoking please, cheaper price means lesser quality bud. pelican is definatlly not a superior brand

Dont be an idiot. For the most part that is true but M$ loves to mark up the price of their products because it has their name on it. I have bought plenty of expensive M$ keyboards and mice and most of them suck. Then i get a cheaper logitech and it works 1,000 times better. Your rule doesnt apply to M$, they love charging more $ then what its worth just for the name.

[cskeller07]

Dont be an idiot. For the most part that is true but M$ loves to mark up the price of their products because it has their name on it. I have bought plenty of expensive M$ keyboards and mice and most of them suck. Then i get a cheaper logitech and it works 1,000 times better. Your rule doesnt apply to M$, they love charging more $ then what its worth just for the name.
amen brother. reminds me of office. they dont need to charge the price for it. open office is almost as good and free

[Vindictive]

I used the cables that came w/ system and haven't had a problem......I didn't run a side by side comparison w/ cables though, so I can't really say which one is better........but then again, who did run a comparison w/ cables on the same television?
I say go with standard, are you really going to be able to tell a difference in picture quality from cables??? Probably not.

[QuantuM]

I used the cables that came w/ system and haven't had a problem......I didn't run a side by side comparison w/ cables though, so I can't really say which one is better........but then again, who did run a comparison w/ cables on the same television?
I say go with standard, are you really going to be able to tell a difference in picture quality from cables??? Probably not.

I think they are more talking about the people who got the Core system that didnt come with HD cables. So they are trynig to figure out which ones to get. :biggrin:

[cskeller07]

I used the cables that came w/ system and haven't had a problem......I didn't run a side by side comparison w/ cables though, so I can't really say which one is better........but then again, who did run a comparison w/ cables on the same television?
I say go with standard, are you really going to be able to tell a difference in picture quality from cables??? Probably not.
i did. for starters S-video is better than regular composite if your tv has it. it is a noticible difference, and the pelican ones are true gold plated tips not gold painted like the microsoft ones

[Italia_NYC]

You know; I really wanted to avoid further posting in this thread, but it's just getting ridiculous now. Pelican cables are known in the industry as 2nd or 3rd rate accessories, made exclusively of cheap innards. I use to sell Pelican cables but got tired of people returning them, and complaining to me. I have since replaced that line with Acoustic Research accessories. A MUCH better brand, substantially better quality, and comparably priced in that sector. Mention the word Pelican to anyone in the A/V world, and you will promptly be ignored.

The bottom line? Guess what; the Microsoft cable is in fact better quality than a comparable Pelican cable. This is fact, not fiction.

Please, let this be the last word on this subject. :)

[QuantuM]

You know; I really wanted to avoid further posting in this thread, but it's just getting ridiculous now. Pelican cables are known in the industry as 2nd or 3rd rate accessories, made exclusively of cheap innards. I use to sell Pelican cables but got tired of people returning them, and complaining to me. I have since replaced that line with Acoustic Research accessories. A MUCH better brand, substantially better quality, and comparably priced in that sector. Mention the word Pelican to anyone in the A/V world, and you will promptly be ignored.

The bottom line? Guess what; the Microsoft cable is in fact better quality than a comparable Pelican cable. This is fact, not fiction.

Please, let this be the last word on this subject. :)

You are funny, like M$ is known for their quality? I worked in retail for over 5 years and we had more returned M$ products then anything else. Even if Pelican isnt the one of the best like monster they are still BETTER then M$. M$ is known for putting out shotty accessories and charging more then anyone else. Because when people walk by the shelves they recognize the name and thats what counts. SBC just bought out AT&T but kept the AT&T name, why do you think that is, because AT&T is the most well known company name in the nation (USA) and a name goes a lot farther then the product itself. We are not trying to say that Pelican is the best brand out there so change all your cables that you have to Pelican cables, no. We are trying to say that they are BETTER then the M$ cables. If you such an A/V tech then why dont you look at the specs of both cables and tell us technicly why M$ has better cables. All i have read shows that the Pelican cables are gold plated not painted like the M$ cables. Do you still think M$ is better? If you do infrom us why and tell us in detail, not just "mention the brand and be ignored." Not good enough. :dong:

[Italia_NYC]

This will be my last post in this thread. Then everyone can form their own opinion. I will not be as vain to say I am clearly overqualified to engage in an argument such as this, so I’ll just say this. I've been in the A/V field most of my life and carry along with it more degrees and certifications than you can count. When I make a post regarding anything A/V related, you can take to the bank it is FACT, not fiction.

Just to clear up something. I never said Microsoft makes fabulous stuff. What I said was, their A/V cables are better quality than Pelican’s A/V cables. Done. This is not open to argument. Open up both cables and compare the innards. Compare the resistance of both. Then tell me your findings. And please, I beg you, stop already with the “Gold Plated” remarks. It makes me chuckle. That is something a Bestbuy salesman is taught to tell their customers.



“Pelican isnt the one of the best like monster” LOL….another fictional statement retail establishments would have you believe.

Good day. :)

[cskeller07]

This will be my last post in this thread. Then everyone can form their own opinion. I will not be as vain to say I am clearly overqualified to engage in an argument such as this, so I’ll just say this. I've been in the A/V field most of my life and carry along with it more degrees and certifications than you can count. When I make a post regarding anything A/V related, you can take to the bank it is FACT, not fiction.

Just to clear up something. I never said Microsoft makes fabulous stuff. What I said was, their A/V cables are better quality than Pelican’s A/V cables. Done. This is not open to argument. Open up both cables and compare the innards. Compare the resistance of both. Then tell me your findings. And please, I beg you, stop already with the “Gold Plated” remarks. It makes me chuckle. That is something a Bestbuy salesman is taught to tell their customers.



“Pelican isnt the one of the best like monster” LOL….another fictional statement retail establishments would have you believe.

Good day. :)
actaully its on the package. and does ur brand whatever you called them cover their cables with a 5 year warranty. how can a company like pelican make cheap cables and afford to cover them for 5 years

[bentout]

Well said Italia. Have you ever been to CEDIA? Maybe I've seen you there. Anyways, another good place to get decent cables online is:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

They use all Belden Cables, America's leading manufacturer of precision video, data, and audio cable.

[cskeller07]

Well said Italia. Have you ever been to CEDIA? Maybe I've seen you there. Anyways, another good place to get decent cables online is:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

They use all Belden Cables, America's leading manufacturer of precision video, data, and audio cable.
yes those are great quality cables. but they will cost an arm and a leg. and do they make cables for the 360

[Italia_NYC]

Well said Italia. Have you ever been to CEDIA? Maybe I've seen you there. Anyways, another good place to get decent cables online is:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

They use all Belden Cables, America's leading manufacturer of precision video, data, and audio cable.

I sent you a PM.

[bentout]

Nope - sorry - just speaking from a quality component cable perspective.

When it comes to the 360 you options are limited.

However I agree with Italia - open the cable up and measure the resistance - just because the cable states 75ohms doesn't mean anything. In practice, cable is seldom exactly 75 ohms. Small variations in the shape and diameter of the wire used in the center conductor, the consistency of the dielectric, the centering of the wire within the dielectric, the size and tightness of the shield around the dielectric, and the behavior of the cable when flexed, make it impossible to build cable precisely and always at 75 ohms. For that reason, any manufacturer of video cable is always working to produce cable within an acceptable range around 75 ohms. A manufacturer specifies how close the cable is guaranteed to be to 75 ohms in a spec called "impedance tolerance," expressed as a +/- range. Without a published specification for impedance tolerance, there's no way to know whether that "75 ohm" cable is 75 ohms plus or minus 1.5 ohms, or 5 ohms, or 15 ohms. This tolerance is the single most important technical spec to look to in determining video cable quality, especially at long lengths; the best video cables available today, "precision" video cables designed for serial digital video transmission, control impedance to a published spec of +/- 1.5 ohms, and, as a practical matter, rarely wander off more than about .5 ohm.

I know Italia knows what I'm talking about. Let me know if I lost you!

[Italia_NYC]

Nope - sorry - just speaking from a quality component cable perspective.

When it comes to the 360 you options are limited.

However I agree with Italia - open the cable up and measure the resistance - just because the cable states 75ohms doesn't mean anything. In practice, cable is seldom exactly 75 ohms. Small variations in the shape and diameter of the wire used in the center conductor, the consistency of the dielectric, the centering of the wire within the dielectric, the size and tightness of the shield around the dielectric, and the behavior of the cable when flexed, make it impossible to build cable precisely and always at 75 ohms. For that reason, any manufacturer of video cable is always working to produce cable within an acceptable range around 75 ohms. A manufacturer specifies how close the cable is guaranteed to be to 75 ohms in a spec called "impedance tolerance," expressed as a +/- range. Without a published specification for impedance tolerance, there's no way to know whether that "75 ohm" cable is 75 ohms plus or minus 1.5 ohms, or 5 ohms, or 15 ohms. This tolerance is the single most important technical spec to look to in determining video cable quality, especially at long lengths; the best video cables available today, "precision" video cables designed for serial digital video transmission, control impedance to a published spec of +/- 1.5 ohms, and, as a practical matter, rarely wander off more than about .5 ohm.

I know Italia knows what I'm talking about. Let me know if I lost you!


:five:

[jt_mares]

That is something a Bestbuy salesman is taught to tell their customers.
hahaha right on man

retail for five years huh, well good for you!

The point is that pelican products are pieces of crap, have you seen their answer to the 360 controller?? i couldnt stop laughing at how Sh***y it looked, looked like a dayschooler's daily craft project. And the fact that they are actually being sold for a price even remotlly similar is pathetic, and is only tolerated because 360 just came out, spare me the garbage, but im glad ur happy with it

[cskeller07]

hahaha right on man

retail for five years huh, well good for you!

The point is that pelican products are pieces of crap, have you seen their answer to the 360 controller?? i couldnt stop laughing at how Sh***y it looked, looked like a dayschooler's daily craft project. And the fact that they are actually being sold for a price even remotlly similar is pathetic, and is only tolerated because 360 just came out, spare me the garbage, but im glad ur happy with it
yes i have seen the controller i agree it sucks. but i own the cables. n trust me they are not ****ty cables

[x360_Gandalf]

I have a new 32" samsung HD LCD. I am wondering is the cable that I got with my xbox the best that is available. I am using the Component HD AV Cable. What is the Joytech XBox 360 Digital VGA Cable , is this better or am i using the best cable?.

thanks.

[cskeller07]

I have a new 32" samsung HD LCD. I am wondering is the cable that I got with my xbox the best that is available. I am using the Component HD AV Cable. What is the Joytech XBox 360 Digital VGA Cable , is this better or am i using the best cable?.

thanks.
there is some contoversy about the best cable but its not the m$ one

[x360_Gandalf]

which one would you recommend cskeller?

[QuantuM]

yes i have seen the controller i agree it sucks. but i own the cables. n trust me they are not ****ty cables

I wish i was at work longer to be able to get into detail in this conversation more. Italia, im curious on to why you post 3 more times after you said it was going to be your last post. As you see in your rebuttle you couldnt do what i ask, tell me WHY it is better. All you say is "your word is fact." Greeeeeeeeat buddy, i bet you can convince a hand full of people with that one. Bentout actually attepted to get into the technical aspect of the cable which, if you knew so much, could of done yoruself. My guess is you havent even picked up a box of the Pelican cables to even try to compare them. You just hear the brand name and say they are crap. Go into a best buy, pick up a pack, and teach yourself a lesson. :ciao:

[Bushi]

Will using a Digital Audio cable make a noticable difference in sound quality? If so, which cables should I buy?

[QuantuM]

It will always make a difference. But how much depends on your setup.

[bentout]

Depends on your receiver/surround sound setup, but typically yes.

I'm also guessing you mean optical verse digital. Toslink makes great optical cables: http://www.smarthome.com/97323.html

[cskeller07]

5.1 liltle difference, 7.1 big difference

[QuantuM]

5.1 liltle difference, 7.1 big difference

:dito:

[QuantuM]

Stick with the cables that came with it. The VGA is really only meant for people who are trying to use a PC Moniter. Slim to none difference between them.

[Bushi]

So if I have a 5.1 channel should I just get a $10 MadCatz digital audio cable. Or should I go for that $40 Toslink digital audio cable?

[Heclo]

Depends on your receiver/surround sound setup, but typically yes.

I'm also guessing you mean optical verse digital. Toslink makes great optical cables: http://www.smarthome.com/97323.html

a Toslink IS a optical cable, not a manufacturer. on topic: it makes quite a big difference if you use the stereo plugs, the best signal you will get is the dolby pro logic 2 signal, which is a sorround signal encoded into a stereo signal, in other words your receiver has to decode it to get sorround which means that you won't get full bandwith on all five channels.

with a toslink cable the signal being transferred is dolby digital 5.1, which simply is full bandwith on all channels, and second to non loss of sound quality.

[Heclo]

So if I have a 5.1 channel should I just get a $10 MadCatz digital audio cable. Or should I go for that $40 Toslink digital audio cable?

what kind of audio equipment do you have? (plz specify receiver number of speakers etc.)

[cskeller07]

Stick with the cables that came with it. The VGA is really only meant for people who are trying to use a PC Moniter. Slim to none difference between them.
i would agree if they came wit the M$ cables just use them. unless u have to get new ones or dont have them then go with a diff brand. i have the vga cables for my lcd computer moniter. but then you have to get a way to get sound. you need an adapter for you speakers however you have them set up

[cskeller07]

what kind of audio equipment do you have? (plz specify receiver number of speakers etc.)
i have 5.1 logitech X-530. the only reason i wuld go with the optical cable for surround sound on my xbox is so i dont have to unplug my speakers from my computer and plug them into my tv everytime i want to switch. with the optical cables i can go from the xbox to my computer and have my speakers plugged into my computer and run the sound through my computer sound card. but if you have anything over 5.1 it would deff be nice to go with the optical for sound

[Bushi]

Ahh.. Yeah I’m at work, so I can’t tell you the model right now. So I’ll have to get back on here after I get home. I know I have 5 speakers + 1 Sub. I really appreciate your help guys!

[cskeller07]

Ahh.. Yeah I’m at work, so I can’t tell you the model right now. So I’ll have to get back on here after I get home. I know I have 5 speakers + 1 Sub. I really appreciate your help guys!
you have 5.1

[Italia_NYC]

Will using a Digital Audio cable make a noticable difference in sound quality? If so, which cables should I buy?

More information is required in order to properly answer this. If you are comparing a Digital cable to an Analog stereo (2 channel) cable, there is no comparison. If you have a receiver and a 5.1 setup, you need a Digital cable in order to decode the Dolby soundtracks in the 360 games.

If you are comparing a Digital Coax cable to a Digital Optical (also known as a TOSlink cable), that is more open to debate. Without getting into a technical discussion, some prefer Coax others prefer Optical. But don't fall under the illusion that Optical is "better".


5.1 liltle difference, 7.1 big difference


I can think of nothing more pleasurable than hearing your explanation for this.?

[bentout]

Sorry for miss defining Toslink as a Manufacturer - like Helco states it's a name reference for an optical cable. A/V is a part time gig for me - I always refer to optical cable/manufacturer as Toslink.

[Bushi]

The Toslink is more expensive. So it's most likley higher quality. Is the SPDIF a good quality for its price?

SPDIF
http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=2017&sku=40112


TOSLINK
http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=2001&sku=40231

[Italia_NYC]

The Toslink is more expensive. So it's most likley higher quality. Is the SPDIF a good quality for its price?

SPDIF
http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=2017&sku=40112


TOSLINK
http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=2001&sku=40231


For $20, if you hear any sound coming from your speakers at all, you got your money's worth. :)

Seriously though, the odds are very much against your ear noticing a difference between a $20 cable and a $50 cable. Simple as that.

Once you start using High-end equipment, the cables you use become much more of a factor.

[bentout]

Since this thread has started it has sparked my interest.

From what I have read the consensus is there really is not a significant difference between optical and component. Actually many experts prefer the sound from component vs optical.

Just thinking out loud here; the way I understand this is that the data and the "pipe" are different. That the data is a bit stream that is encoded in one place (DVD) and decoded in another (preamp). The pipe has no bearing as the signal is digital - on or off (signal wise).

Bandwidth is different than speed.

Speed. Take a computer network for example. Its speed can be 100 megabits a second whether it is fiber or copper. So the bits are speeding along 100 megabits a second.

Bandwidth. How many signals sources (connections) do you want to send over your pipe? Fiber has a theoretical infinite limit, copper is more limited (how much I do not know).

So fiber has a wider pipe than copper which means more signal sources can be transmitted, however the speed is the same (at what ever your network runs at).

I have read on different A/V forums several times that the sound of a system is better with coax than with fiber. You can't argue with that, and I am sure you do hear a difference.

One possible explanation is that the technology that is used on the fiber side to either encode or decode could be inferior to the technology used on the copper side. With fiber, the digital signal is converted to light and transmitted, then received and converted back again to a signal. Whereas the coax is just there so to speak and does not require any additional processing.

It could be that during the conversion between electrical to light energy and then back again to electrical something is amiss?

Maybe Italia can shed some additional info.

[cskeller07]

More information is required in order to properly answer this. If you are comparing a Digital cable to an Analog stereo (2 channel) cable, there is no comparison. If you have a receiver and a 5.1 setup, you need a Digital cable in order to decode the Dolby soundtracks in the 360 games.

If you are comparing a Digital Coax cable to a Digital Optical (also known as a TOSlink cable), that is more open to debate. Without getting into a technical discussion, some prefer Coax others prefer Optical. But don't fall under the illusion that Optical is "better".




I can think of nothing more pleasurable than hearing your explanation for this.?
use your brain. plug in some 5.1 and plug in some 7.1 and you can hear the diff. duh its not that hard anybody who knows anything knows that

[Italia_NYC]

Since this thread has started it has sparked my interest.

From what I have read the consensus is there really is not a significant difference between optical and component. Actually many experts prefer the sound from component vs optical.

Just thinking out loud here; the way I understand this is that the data and the "pipe" are different. That the data is a bit stream that is encoded in one place (DVD) and decoded in another (preamp). The pipe has no bearing as the signal is digital - on or off (signal wise).

Bandwidth is different than speed.

Speed. Take a computer network for example. Its speed can be 100 megabits a second whether it is fiber or copper. So the bits are speeding along 100 megabits a second.

Bandwidth. How many signals sources (connections) do you want to send over your pipe? Fiber has a theoretical infinite limit, copper is more limited (how much I do not know).

So fiber has a wider pipe than copper which means more signal sources can be transmitted, however the speed is the same (at what ever your network runs at).

I have read on different A/V forums several times that the sound of a system is better with coax than with fiber. You can't argue with that, and I am sure you do hear a difference.

One possible explanation is that the technology that is used on the fiber side to either encode or decode could be inferior to the technology used on the copper side. With fiber, the digital signal is converted to light and transmitted, then received and converted back again to a signal. Whereas the coax is just there so to speak and does not require any additional processing.

It could be that during the conversion between electrical to light energy and then back again to electrical something is amiss?

Maybe Italia can shed some additional info.


The debate between Coax Digital and Optical Digital is a never-ending and often interesting and fun topic. Because in the end, there is never a right or wrong answer.

Though I myself am on the fence regarding cables (of any kind) and if they can actually alter the way our ear perceives sound; there are those who believe (and in some cases swear) that the Coax cable gives a “warmer” sound; that is to say, higher frequencies are less pronounced; while the Optical cable is said to be a little too “bright”, meaning the higher frequencies are too pronounced. In both my store and at home, with high-end equipment and speakers, I can not attest to those claims. So I insist, it is all in the individual’s own hearing.

As far as how they both operate; The bitstream from a Coax cable is identical to the bitstream from an Optical cable and will be processes by your receiver without preference in the same manner. The main differences and these may very well be the decision maker when choosing, are; Coax is far more susceptible to RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) and other interferences, however it more flexible and usually built better (especially the ends) and make for a more secure connection. Optical cables on the other hand are immune to RFI and any other electrical interferences, but is less flexible.

Another interesting insinuation (though has not been proven to my knowledge), is Optical cables may use a checksum (or variation of) to verify accuracy of the bitstream, very similar to the Ethernet protocol (CSMA/CD). This could increase the likelihood of “jitter” in the bitstream causing some (usually inexpensive) equipment to not properly recognize the timing of the wave that signals a bit start. Again, I can not attest to these claims.

[Italia_NYC]

use your brain. plug in some 5.1 and plug in some 7.1 and you can hear the diff. duh its not that hard anybody who knows anything knows that

LOL....Thank you for clearing that up.

[Bushi]

So Italia, which one do you prefer?

[bentout]

Interesting - thanks for the info! :)

[Italia_NYC]

So Italia, which one do you prefer?

I would tell you the same thing I tell my clients; buy both, bring them home and try them. Whichever one you think sounds better or works better in your environment, keep that one and return the other. However I’d be willing to bet you wouldn’t hear a difference. :)

For $20, that Coax cable is looking better and better.

[Scotracer]

Well im running an xgamers 5.1 digital suround sound, using an optical input, the clarity is outstanding!

Does the xbox 360 actually support 7.1 surround, because im sure i read somewhere that only 5.1 is supported, not an issue for me but maybe some others.

I was thinking of upgrading my system to the Creative Gigaworks s750, acclaimed as the best sytem on the planet, this sounds right up my street. It may be a bit too much of a jump but running along side my HDTV i want to have the best set-up possible and for only 230 GBP that sounds very tempting!

Italia has come to my rescue on a few occasions now, wat do u think? :P

[Bushi]

All this talk about coax cables vs. fiber optic cables, and the 360 only has a connection for the fiber optic cable anyway. It was informative though. I just ended up buying Monster THX fiber optic cable for $20 at FRYS electronics.

[Italia_NYC]

All this talk about coax cables vs. fiber optic cables, and the 360 only has a connection for the fiber optic cable anyway. It was informative though. I just ended up buying Monster THX fiber optic cable for $20 at FRYS electronics.

lol...Good point. Though it was good general information for those interested.


Does the xbox 360 actually support 7.1 surround, because im sure i read somewhere that only 5.1 is supported, not an issue for me but maybe some others.

This really has nothing to do with the 360 itself. Instead it has to do with how the audio tracks are encoded. Then your receiver has to be able to decode a 6.1/7.1 signal. If your receiver has a DTS-ES and/or Dolby Digital EX logo on it, then it is capable.

Without getting into a long discussion, the whole 7.1 thing is a marketing scam. There is no such thing as true 7.1 audio. Hollywood (and game manufacturers) have yet to make movies with a 7th discrete channel. 6.1 however (DTS-ES & DD EX) does in fact utilize a 6th discrete channel. In laymen terms, in a 7.1 environment, the surround back channel information is spread across (or matrixed) the surround left and surround right channels (similar to the way the center channel is encoded for Dolby Surround Pro Logic). That’s not to say you can’t play 5.1 and 6.1 material in a 7.1 environment. You certainly can, so long as you understand you’re limited to A) what your receiver is capable of, and B) the maximum discrete channels the audio track is encoded for. The rest of the speakers will just be “matrixed”.

I would very much like to see them start making games with DTS-ES and DD EX sound tracks. But I don’t see it happening anytime soon.

[Scotracer]

Was the original xbox dolby surround? Many games state Dolby digital on the back of the cover, but since playing Halo 2 on my 360 im sure its now 5.1, was the original similar to Pro logic? Well anyway the 360 sounds far superior!!

[Italia_NYC]

Yes, the original Xbox was capable of outputting DD 5.1 sound.

[bentout]

Pulse~LINK will showcase its Gigabit-rate CWave Ultra Wideband (UWB) platform featuring wireless and wired High Definition audio/video connectivity, HD gaming, and multimedia PC applications at the 2006 International Consumer Electronics Show, January 5-8, in Las Vegas.

Demonstrations include the industry's first wireless DVI/HDMI equivalent; ultra-low latency wireless HD gaming between an Xbox 360 and a HDTV; wireless PC to HDTV Flat Panel connections; and the first ever UWB over coax solution capable of supporting IEEE 1394 S400 (400 Mbps) throughput for whole-home connectivity.

Pulse~LINK's CWave UWB digital home connectivity solution enables simultaneous streaming of multiple HDTV programs, high quality multi-channel audio, and high speed data throughout the home.

The PLK23300 is the first UWB chipset to deliver Gigabit data rates both wirelessly and over in-home wired media. Breakthrough applications include wireless DVI/HDMI and 1394 for real-time visually lossless HDTV and the ability to provide an interactive wireless connection between HD video game consoles and HD displays. Pulse~LINK's PLK23300 chipset samples will be available for wireless and coax solutions beginning Q1 2006.

"Imagine seamlessly connecting the large screen Flat Panel display in your living room to all the other multimedia devices in your home- from the DVD in the bedroom to the video camera in the family room and more. Or, walking into your living room with your laptop and with the push of a button everything displayed on your laptop screen is wirelessly sent to your Flat Panel display for viewing. These are some of the many CWave™ technology applications we will be debuting at CES," states John Santhoff, Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Pulse~LINK. "Pulse~LINK's CWave™ technology is enabling a paradigm shift in the home entertainment industry by delivering a converged, hybrid wired and wireless network capable of Gigabit data rates and real-time, deterministic delivery of digital content throughout the home."

Pulse~LINK will feature its CWave™ UWB connectivity in multiple partner booths throughout CES 2006. Industry Firsts for CES include the first real-time interactive wireless gaming console. Pulse~LINK will conduct demonstrations of an Xbox 360 featuring High Definition video gaming connected wirelessly to a Flat Panel HDTV display. The Xbox 360 will be connected during active HD game play to two High Definition displays, one which will receive its signal directly via the component video cables currently shipping with the CWave™ , the other display will receive its signal wirelessly using Pulse~LINK's CWave™ UWB radios. The side-by-side wireless versus wired displays showcase the “wired equivalency” of CWave™ wireless UWB.

Source: http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9998/Pulse-LINK-to-Demonstrate-Wireless-Connectivity-Between-Xbox-360-and-HDTV-Display/

[Superior Grant]

ive recently bought this HD TV http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BBERZ2/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_f/202-9979926-3935059
but im not even sure if ive got it doing an HD image.

The TV has such good quality, that non-HD stuff looks so much better, including my xbox 360, which means for all i know my 360 may not be playing in HD.

How can i make sure - what do i do to set it up in HD?
i think it is, im just not sure :S - i def. didnt have it in HD at first as the switch wasnt set to it, just when i turned the switch to HD it didnt seem to make much difference - so is there anything else i need to do?

Also, is a VGA cable worth getting?

[cskeller07]

go into your console settings then go to display and take a look. and if you have a HDTV y would you hook it up to your computer monitor

[youngboyboy]

Hey, i just got my xbox360 today i set it up to widescreen and 720p, i have a Maxent 27" hdtv lcd monitor.

ok, when i turn to the input channel to play my xbox360 it say 480i on the top of the rv screen, but on my xbox360 setup i put in 720p so does it matter what the tv says???

and it wont let me change it to anything else on my menu screen for the tv it's on 480p

please i need help with this im downloading fight night 2 so i got a litttle time online so if any one can help that would be nice.

[Siepie]

have you switched the switch on the cable? there is a little one at the side that goes into the xbox.

[youngboyboy]

damn yo i forgot all about that,

[360rulz]

a VGA is worthless unless you plan on going to a friend's house for a LAN party or something and cant take your HDTV

[Superior Grant]

go into your console settings then go to display and take a look. and if you have a HDTV y would you hook it up to your computer monitor

apparently VGA cables are better for HDTVs than the standard HD cable

[Superior Grant]

ive had in 480! - now i dont know whether to change it to 720 or 1080

[xbiggy]

just try the settings and see what works or looks best on your tv you can always switch back if it doesnt change

[Italia_NYC]

a VGA is worthless unless you plan on going to a friend's house for a LAN party or something and cant take your HDTV

:banghead: Amazing.

[QuantuM]

720p will most likely look better on a smaller tv, say 43 and smaller, if you have larger then that then go 1080i.

But again just look at both and see if you see a noticable difference. If you dont then keep it at 720p.

[360rulz]

:banghead: Amazing.
monitors are easier to transport than say a 45 inch plasma... and the premium comes with the normal ones