silly boy racers

[anarchypro]

whats the point of owning a Japanese car then tricking it out its not going to go any faster with a coffee can pipe or bodykit

not racer, ricer

[ChuckSteak0331]

LOL. Wrong choice of words to describe the car, but I see where your going.
Well let me tell you when it became mainstream. There once was a movie called the fast and the furious. That featured honda civics and cars of that multitude. Now, in the movie and real life to make a 4 cyl. pump out 250 or more hp is crazy and deserves some credit. Throwing on the body kit I guess helps the aerodynamics.
But like I said I see where your coming from. Its hilarious over here. People throw on their exhaust and think their car is fast. I cant tell you how many cars around here have one color for the car, then the primer grey for the body kit. It was about 2 years ago but I actually witnessed a spoiler fall off when the kid was shutting the trunk of his pimped out ride. They throw in sound systems and when they drive buy you hear the whole outside of their car rattle. But once again, when your a teenager trying to be cool....No, thats not cool, nevermind. Yeah, people need to knock off the crap. They hang out at dunkin donuts and this kid there says his chevy cavalier has over 300 hp. LOL. Riiiiight. Why do I say that? Because he threw on a new hood, body kit, spoiler, and we asked him what was in the engine, and he said I just paid a guy to put everything in it, I dont know. LOL. You mean to tell me you gave a guy thousands of dollars and you dont even know what you spent it on? Anyways, your right, there is no point, these people could have saved up all that money they spent on their G-Unit spinners, and bought a real sports car.

[Jay2984]

Yeah I dont think Jap and Ricers is the right words to use. I would think before I posted if I were you.

[ChuckSteak0331]

I dont really see nothing wrong with the word ricers, since its refering to a car. But Jap, I would of laid off of. Just because you never know who is on the forum.

[Scotracer]

That type of modification is wide-spread throughout the world. What is the point of sticking 800BHP into a stupid old muscle car, and then getting about 3mpg? You can't go over 70mph. In the UK we focus on the appearance of the car. Why? Because it is cheaper, image counts for alot and street racing is very uncommon. My car is a 2.0 litre Golf Mk IV. I have only really modifed the exterior and the sound system. But I do have a racing exhaust and induction system which does make a significant difference.

And you stated about getting 250BHP out of a Civic is alot. Not particularly, as they have 197BHP standard in the UK (Well the type-R has). Some UK small engined cars can have in excess of 300BHP, without a hint of a super or turbocharger. There is a tuning company that is local to me and has many mighty fast Japanese imports. For instance they have 4 or 5 800BHP+ Skylines. Many 450BHP+ Evo's and a 1200BHP Supra. I would take a 450BHP Evo 6 over any American muscle car, anyday. Simply because the handling and traction is unbelievable, with a fair amount of power for straight sections.

[Ohira34]

:bootyshak subaru is better

[anarchypro]

That type of modification is wide-spread throughout the world. What is the point of sticking 800BHP into a stupid old muscle car, and then getting about 3mpg? You can't go over 70mph. In the UK we focus on the appearance of the car. Why? Because it is cheaper, image counts for alot and street racing is very uncommon. My car is a 2.0 litre Golf Mk IV. I have only really modifed the exterior and the sound system. But I do have a racing exhaust and induction system which does make a significant difference.

And you stated about getting 250BHP out of a Civic is alot. Not particularly, as they have 197BHP standard in the UK (Well the type-R has). Some UK small engined cars can have in excess of 300BHP, without a hint of a super or turbocharger. There is a tuning company that is local to me and has many mighty fast Japanese imports. For instance they have 4 or 5 800BHP+ Skylines. Many 450BHP+ Evo's and a 1200BHP Supra. I would take a 450BHP Evo 6 over any American muscle car, anyday. Simply because the handling and traction is unbelievable, with a fair amount of power for straight sections.




What is the point of sticking 800BHP into a stupid old muscle car, and then getting about 3mpg! because im american that is what we do (You can't go over 70mph) BS

[anarchypro]

LOL. Wrong choice of words to describe the car, but I see where your going.
Well let me tell you when it became mainstream. There once was a movie called the fast and the furious. That featured honda civics and cars of that multitude. Now, in the movie and real life to make a 4 cyl. pump out 250 or more hp is crazy and deserves some credit. Throwing on the body kit I guess helps the aerodynamics.
But like I said I see where your coming from. Its hilarious over here. People throw on their exhaust and think their car is fast. I cant tell you how many cars around here have one color for the car, then the primer grey for the body kit. It was about 2 years ago but I actually witnessed a spoiler fall off when the kid was shutting the trunk of his pimped out ride. They throw in sound systems and when they drive buy you hear the whole outside of their car rattle. But once again, when your a teenager trying to be cool....No, thats not cool, nevermind. Yeah, people need to knock off the crap. They hang out at dunkin donuts and this kid there says his chevy cavalier has over 300 hp. LOL. Riiiiight. Why do I say that? Because he threw on a new hood, body kit, spoiler, and we asked him what was in the engine, and he said I just paid a guy to put everything in it, I dont know. LOL. You mean to tell me you gave a guy thousands of dollars and you dont even know what you spent it on? Anyways, your right, there is no point, these people could have saved up all that money they spent on their G-Unit spinners, and bought a real sports car.

(Throwing on the body kit I guess helps the aerodynamics.) no not on a honda

[bullgatti]

i own a 1969 firebird and if your crusing it doesnt burn up gas it only sucks down gas if you floor it. i will never buy a front wheel anything especially a jap car all they do is break when they try to race me. big block baby! i want more liters than a bottle of soda

[Scotracer]

You have only raced in a straight line I bet. Around a REAL circuit, no muscle car could keep up with a Japanese or European, smaller engined car. And a "big block" is nothing to shout about. It is an underpowered for its size, old technology, piece of junk. Give me a modern Japanese or European engine anyday. The sweetest engine ever is a Ferrari 3.6 litre 40V V8, revving to around 9 000 rpm!

[bullgatti]

i have nothing against euro cars but have you ever seen the rolex cup the gto is owning all the other cars in the circuit only car that keeps up is the 911 as it should those are bad ass cars i also own a 04 gto i dont have a circuit near me to go race but that car has beat every single ricer i have faced with there funny little crackle pipes

[bullgatti]

http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/20050116tas2.html CRAZY JAP RICERS

[anarchypro]

since those are Japanese cars i guess me and bull will never have anything to wory about oh and another thing i guarantee no honda civic could ever beat my mustang

[FordGTGuy]

Scotracer you know better than that.

What about the Trans-Am Series? It involved Dodge Challengers, Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, Plymouth Barracuda, AMC javelin, and etc.

The first race was on Sebring Raceway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebring_Raceway

[FordGTGuy]

since those are Japanese cars i guess me and bull will never have anything to wory about oh and another thing i guarantee no honda civic could ever beat my mustang

Thats a foolish thing to say any car can beat any other car with the right mods.

:Pcguru:

[bullgatti]

true but his stang is crazy

[anarchypro]

heres my car

1516

1517

1518


mod list, .Kenne Bell BLOWZILLA 2200 (2.2L)
.3-1/4 pulley
.9.0 LB's of boost
.757 HP
.709 FT LB's

[bullgatti]

told you his stang is crazy

[anarchypro]

more mods.....
Kenne Bell polished intake manifold
36lb injectors
03/04 Cobra gas tank with dual highflow SVT pumps
Gloss black gas tank cover with chrome straps.
Team Breed fully polished cam covers
Canton polished aluminum coolant tank
Canton polished aluminum power-steering fluid reservoir
PowerMaster 200 amp chrome alternator
Custom polished billet alternator bracket
CoolFlex upper rad hose
Assorted billet caps/covers from Steeda/UPR/MGW/SnkyPete
Odyssey Billet Battery hold-down
Optima Blue Top Battery


Exhaust:
Bassani stainless catted X-pipe
Borla stainless cat-back

Suspension:
Steeda sport springs
Steeda front and rear sway bars
Steeda billet weightjacker lower control arms
Steeda billet non-adjustable upper control arms
Steeda 4-bolt caster/camber plates
Steeda bumpsteer kit/tie rods/end links/ball joints
Steeda offset A-arm bushings

Tokico 5-way adjustable shocks/struts
welded in subframe connectors

Drivetrain:
FRP aluminum driveshaft
FRP driveshaft loop
4:10 gear
Pro 5.0 shifter with Steeda triax handle

Brakes:
FRP Cobra brake upgrade
SS brake lines
Baer Eratispeed zinc-washed cross-drilled/slotted rotors
Hawk pads
7/16" drop in front wheel spacers with longer ARP wheel studs
1" MM hubcentric rear wheel spacers

Steering
Flaming River power steering rack and shaft.

[anarchypro]

the definition of ricer

.Any bone stock ride that is covered in stickers from companies that have nothing to do with that ride is a Ricer.
.Any ride with a paint job that looks like something Walt Disney threw-up is a Ricer.
.Any ride with more bondo than sheet metal is a Ricer.
.Any ride with undercarriage lighting is a Ricer.
.Any ride with neon ANYWHERE is a Ricer (beer trucks omitted).
.Any ride with wheels 3 sizes too small or too large is a Ricer.
.Fartpipe coffee can exhaust? Ricer.
."R" Badges? Ricer.
.Monster tach in a mechanically stock vehicle? Ricer.
.Ground effects bought at Home Depot? Ricer.
.Fake scoops mounted where even real scoops would serve no purpose? Ricer.
.A spoiler that more resembles a picnic basket handle? Ricer.
.Aviation parts mounted "for better traction"? Ricer.
.Defrost ducts painted with latex paint to match the color of the sticker on the brake pads? Ricer.

A Ricer doesn't have to be an Import. There are plenty of Riced-out Domestics on the road.

[anarchypro]

Yeah I dont think Jap and Ricers is the right words to use. I would think before I posted if I were you.

i did think before i posted that thats why i posted that

[anarchypro]

(a "big block" is nothing to shout about. It is an underpowered for its size, old technology)

so ScotRacer your saying a chevy 572cid big block is underpowered

[Kaptain Kilt]

Supe up the engine all you want. With the price of gas the way it is, the only thing I want to bling my car with is solar panels. :)

[Ohira34]

I used to have a 97 prelude sh and it was modded fairly heavy..and I must say the only car that beat me on a highway was some crazy modded mustang saleen...it didn't even look like a mustang anymore. yes i had beaten plenty of big blocks...but this thing was nuts...I was cruisin at about 110-120 with plenty of play left when this guy cruises up and waves at me an my buddy and just takes off...I droped a gear and kept his taillights in sight for about a 1/4 mile then he was gone. his car was nuts. but still no one has beaten me in the twisties when I had my wrx. nough said.

[C Dub]

more mods.....
Kenne Bell polished intake manifold
36lb injectors
03/04 Cobra gas tank with dual highflow SVT pumps
Gloss black gas tank cover with chrome straps.
Team Breed fully polished cam covers
Canton polished aluminum coolant tank
Canton polished aluminum power-steering fluid reservoir
PowerMaster 200 amp chrome alternator
Custom polished billet alternator bracket
CoolFlex upper rad hose
Assorted billet caps/covers from Steeda/UPR/MGW/SnkyPete
Odyssey Billet Battery hold-down
Optima Blue Top Battery


Exhaust:
Bassani stainless catted X-pipe
Borla stainless cat-back

Suspension:
Steeda sport springs
Steeda front and rear sway bars
Steeda billet weightjacker lower control arms
Steeda billet non-adjustable upper control arms
Steeda 4-bolt caster/camber plates
Steeda bumpsteer kit/tie rods/end links/ball joints
Steeda offset A-arm bushings

Tokico 5-way adjustable shocks/struts
welded in subframe connectors

Drivetrain:
FRP aluminum driveshaft
FRP driveshaft loop
4:10 gear
Pro 5.0 shifter with Steeda triax handle

Brakes:
FRP Cobra brake upgrade
SS brake lines
Baer Eratispeed zinc-washed cross-drilled/slotted rotors
Hawk pads
7/16" drop in front wheel spacers with longer ARP wheel studs
1" MM hubcentric rear wheel spacers

Steering
Flaming River power steering rack and shaft.
What 1/4 or 1/8 times are you running?

[bullgatti]

http://www.vmax.dk/static/images/vmax/wallpapers/800/Opel%20Tigra.jpg

who likes this car

[Scotracer]

(a "big block" is nothing to shout about. It is an underpowered for its size, old technology)

so ScotRacer your saying a chevy 572cid big block is underpowered

I said they are underpowered for their size. 572 is a stupid size for an engine, thats around 9 litre. No need for anything like that capacity. European engineers could get the same power out of a car maybe half the size.

[bullgatti]

wouldnt last as long heat would destroy them

[anarchypro]

(What 1/4 or 1/8 times are you running?)

my last 1/4 time was 10:7 but that was before we rebuilt the engine

[anarchypro]

oh come on guys can't say anything else exactly because you no that no Japanese car can ever touch an AMERICAN car. because we can do one thing to our engines and produce twice as much HP as any Japanese car.
but with a Japanese car you have to spend like 10,000 dollars and maybe get 400 HP

[ChuckSteak0331]

Bullgatti, that car is queer. Maybe as a matchbox car or something in some fantasy magazine, but to drive it? I'd rather get a moped. Next, I believe it was ohira, 120mph cruising down the thruway? Unless you live in Germany, I'm raising the flag, the BS flag.

Quick edit. Just went to urban dictionary and got the definition of "ricer"

1. ricer



(Ricer: from the latin word Ricarius meaning to suck at everything you attempt)

A person who makes unecessary modifications to their most often import car (hence the term "rice") to make it (mostly make it look) faster. The most common modifications are (but not limited to):

- Huge exhaust that serves no purpose but to make the car louder
- Large spoiler on the back that looks like something Boeing made for the 747
- Lots of after-market company stickers they don't have parts from, but must be cool
- Expensive rims that usually cost more than the car itself
- Bodykit to make the car appear lower, usually accented with chicken wire
- Clear tail lights and corner signals
- A "performace intake"- a tube that feeds cold air to their engine usually located in areas of excessive heat (behind or on top of the engine)
- Most of these riced cars (a.k.a. rice rockets or rice burners) are imports; Honda Civics, Accords, Integras, CRXs, RSXs, Del Sols Mitsubishi Eclipses, Lancers, Subaru Imprezas, however there are some domestics such as Chevrolet Caviliers, Dodge Neons, Ford Focus; small, slow, economy cars designed specifically to go slow. Please note that some Supras, Skylines, WRX's and other higher performance imports are designed to go fast, and are therfore not always considered rice. It really depends on the severity of the case.

The "ricer" attempts to make their car "performance" by adding the modifications listed above. These ricers are not confined to any one ethnic group or color, however different ethnic groups are known for certain styles.

Honda Civics with big spoilers and 4" exhaust tips are considered to be ricers.

[bullgatti]

finally someone says something everyone else must like it

[bullgatti]

SILLY RICERS
http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/video/AntiRicerCompilation.wmv

[Scotracer]

oh come on guys can't say anything else exactly because you no that no Japanese car can ever touch an AMERICAN car. because we can do one thing to our engines and produce twice as much HP as any Japanese car.
but with a Japanese car you have to spend like 10,000 dollars and maybe get 400 HP

LMAO, you really are naive aren't you. Japanese cars are far better than American cars. The only reason American cars are at all fast (and even that is stretching it a bit) is the fact that American companies don't spend time engineering, but just stick in but stupid old tech V8 engines. They then claim it is a "sports car", which is ridiculous. Now if you Americans actually think sense about this and not just talk about the horsepower as the most important figure in a car, you would realise that Japanese cars are much better.
Take handling for instance; The current Mustang has a live rear axle (same goes for the C6 Vette) and I believe it also may have leaf springs on the rear?!?!?!?! WTF, is this the 19th Century?! And for the same money you can get an Mitsubishi Evolution, which may have less power (The UK model isn't down by much, at 330BHP) but it has active 4WD and YAW control....There is just no competition the Japanese car is far superior to the American car in almost everyway.

If you say that there are no fast Japanese cars; take the Mitsubishi Evolution FQ-400 (Built and designed by RalliArt, the company responsible for the WRC cars). It has a 2litre, 4 cylinder turbo-charged engine. It has 400 in the name because it has 400BHP, now if that isn't impressive enough....it will out-drag any American car to 60mph (0-60 in 3.5 seconds). It can corner superbly (Around a track it is no slower than a Lamborghini Murcielago). Now you may say that is made by a tuner company, but it isn't it's a official UK Evo model.

Its simple to see the American ethos when it comes to cars.... "the more power the better" and..."whats a corner?"

Yes maybe the Japanese car companies predominatly make smaller engined city cars. But that is for a reason; most of the populated areas of Japan are highly urbanised so the need for big stupid "gas guzzlers" is non-existant. But just because of that reason, don't claim that don't make good cars. In fact every Honda or Toyota currently on the market is technologically more advanced than any American car.

Also why do you hate the so called "ricers". What you are doing to your cars is customisation, why can't they do it to their cars? So what if the modifications give little in terms of performance enhancements, it is their own personnal preference.

[Gamerkid360]

:dito: Nicely put Scott, I'm an American and totally agree we americans don't think about curves like I do and you do. All we think about is how fast can we go in a straight line how fast can we go on a drag strip! I like cars that handle really well not cars that are only fast in a straight line!

[bullgatti]

half the people that put body kits on there car think it makes it faster RICER
the gto beat every jap car,bmw that has tryed to race in the rolex series they race on road tracks only car that is close is the porsche but we dont do engineering

[Scotracer]

half the people that put body kits on there car think it makes it faster RICER
the gto beat every jap car,bmw that has tryed to race in the rolex series they race on road tracks only car that is close is the porsche but we dont do engineering

You cannot compare the road cars to their race counterparts! And that GTO, Monaro or whatever you want to call it could not beat an Evo. Yes it is a nice handling Australian car but still is no match for that crazy 4WD rocket.

Yes I said it, the GTO is not and American car.

[bullgatti]

the new body is not american but the gto is all american

it has a corvette motor in it just auzy body and the 06 is different styling than the monaro

[bullgatti]

you guys from uk have to pay so much for gas you like small motors

im american i dont care about gas i like that kick in the ass feeling when you hit the gas

[bullgatti]

the fq 400 is the only car you said that i half ass respect

i seen it on top gear hanging with the lambo but it could never pass it

[Scotracer]

the new body is not american but the gto is all american

That one in that picture is not an American car. It is a rebadged Holden Monaro. Sorry to kill your patriotism. And yes fuel prices are very expensive in the UK, so it is a factor but also our roads are very twisty, so big rubbish handling V8 cars are useless. The new one, which in the UK is called a Monaro VXR, may have a Vette derived engine. But that is just because of the GM parent company. It is still an Austrailian car.

[bullgatti]

america doesnt have twisty road you got to be kidding me its fun hearing the rumble of a v8 on a back country road

[bullgatti]

im going to get the 06 in a couple months got the 04 when it first came out

cant wait to trade up

[Scotracer]

america doesnt have twisty road you got to be kidding me its fun hearing the rumble of a v8 on a back country road

You may have country roads, but they are still no comparison to the British roads. About 70% of our roads are 1, maybe 2 lane roads. For which a big V8 muscle car would be just a handful. Thats where our light weight Lotus and Caterham and Ariel cars come into their own.

[bullgatti]

why does no one use them as race cars if there so good

[bullgatti]

handfull is a good thing what are you a girl to afraid to drive a v8 on your little tiny roads

[bullgatti]

and i have nothing against euro cars which i said before

lotus is a cool car i dont like the other 2 just the looks of them are weird

[Scotracer]

why does no one use them as race cars if there so good

It is simple. The car has to meet certain criteria to be homologated for racing use. Most series now require for a certain body shape of car; ie the BTCC requires a coupe or hatchback model for the race car to be based on. There is a one-make Lotus series and I think there is also a racing version of the Ariel Atom.

I don't mean I would be too scared to push a V8 on a back road, but they just don't handle well, and it is not their purpose.

[bullgatti]

im talking about jap cars they use euro cars in plaenty of stuff

[bullgatti]

why do supercars use v8 and up if there junk

[bullgatti]

and as far as games go since this is a gaming site forza is the best car game ever and i cant wait for the new one

[bullgatti]

I don't mean I would be too scared to push a V8 on a back road, but they just don't handle well, and it is not their purpose.

its purpose is to have fun so that is its purpose
aston martin make v8's they tested it on top gear on some twisty roads and said it was fun to drive thats the point

[Gamerkid360]

and as far as games go since this is a gaming site forza is the best car game ever and i cant wait for the new one


Can you wuit triple posting every time scott does one post and GTR is gonna be better than Forza 2 same with Project Gotham. So far I think PGR3 is currently the best racing sim out until GTR comes out and we will have to see about Test Drive Unlimited, it maybe arcady but the series also could have changed and it could be a very very good pretty realistic game but I don't think it will be like Project Gotham Racing 3 or GTR.

Also this is not exactly the gaming section of the site se it is the General chat section so we don't have to talk about gaming here we can talk about cars which is what this thread is about crappy souped up hondas!

Where I live near DC. Kids think they are all cool because they have souped up hondas with spoilers and sweet rims and everything so what do they do? They think there cars are all that and they try to race Porsches and Ferraris and yes there cars are fast and yes they beat them in stoplight drags but when you see them in the turns the just can't compete.

Then there was a kid with a cobalt SS and said he had like 300-350 hp in it, a Cobalt SS!! Then my dad's friend has a 2006 GTI that is illegal completely has nitrous and can't even pass emmisions because of exhaust but guess how much hp?? 800!!! That thing is amazing and can handle well also because I have ridden in it. The thing is insane!


As far as underpowered V8 muscle cars I can't stand them. I would honestly rather have a lightwheight less powerful car but it handle really well and still be fast. I like Porsches currently and think they are great but out of price range that we are talking about.

Scott how much are the old Opel Speedsters? I like lotus elises and the exige alot because they achieve performance through light wheight and handle really well. I refuse to buy a GM right now though because European cars are just so much well better and don't have the cheap feel to them.

[Fanta]

Can you wuit triple posting every time scott does one post and GTR is gonna be better than Forza 2 same with Project Gotham. So far I think PGR3 is currently the best racing sim out until GTR comes out and we will have to see about Test Drive Unlimited, it maybe arcady but the series also could have changed and it could be a very very good pretty realistic game but I don't think it will be like Project Gotham Racing 3 or GTR.
.

I'm pretty sure pgr3 wasn't a sim.

[bullgatti]

whatever you can put a suspension on an old muscle car and beat new cars on the track

underpowered a v8 that can make 500 horses all motor then put a supercharger on it and hit 900hp

you cant tell me a 4 cylynder sounds good

pgr3 is in no way a sim

ill post as much as i want

gtr is only race cars doesnt compare
plus its not out yet you have no clue how there gonna handle

[bullgatti]

v8's are stupid but your pic is ferrari scotracer you anoy me

[anarchypro]

(So far I think PGR3 is currently the best racing sim out) wo since when is pgr3 a sim never has been never will be. oh and gamerkid mabe you should go to another thread because you obviously don't no anything about cars

[anarchypro]

(If you say that there are no fast Japanese cars; take the Mitsubishi Evolution FQ-400 (Built and designed by RalliArt, the company responsible for the WRC cars). It has a 2litre, 4 cylinder turbo-charged engine. It has 400 in the name because it has 400BHP, now if that isn't impressive enough....it will out-drag any American car to 60mph (0-60 in 3.5 seconds).

ya it mite be good in 0-60 but it can't handle the 1/4 thats were the american car dominates

[Gamerkid360]

(If you say that there are no fast Japanese cars; take the Mitsubishi Evolution FQ-400 (Built and designed by RalliArt, the company responsible for the WRC cars). It has a 2litre, 4 cylinder turbo-charged engine. It has 400 in the name because it has 400BHP, now if that isn't impressive enough....it will out-drag any American car to 60mph (0-60 in 3.5 seconds).

ya it mite be good in 0-60 but it can't handle the 1/4 thats were the american car dominates


I never said there were no fast jap cars. Yeah and who dominates the curves?? What was it?? Euro cars aahhh thats the answer. I know alot about cars but am still learning from people who know alot about them like Scott not you. You think Americas cars are the best but one word of advice they arent.

[Gamerkid360]

(So far I think PGR3 is currently the best racing sim out) wo since when is pgr3 a sim never has been never will be. oh and gamerkid mabe you should go to another thread because you obviously don't no anything about cars


So PGR3 isn't a sim I was comparing it to arcade racers and it feels like a sim compared to arcade racers! I wouldn't say it never will be eather. Actually I know alot about cars but I am only 12 and still learning alot about them so shut up and leave me alone.

PS: you think you know eveything about cars, scott annoys you and the reason he annoys you is because he knows more than you about cars and people like that annoy you :aetsch:

[bullgatti]

i said he annoys me because he says v8's are junk and he has a ferrari for a pic

[anarchypro]

I never said there were no fast jap cars. Yeah and who dominates the curves?? What was it?? Euro cars aahhh thats the answer. I know alot about cars but am still learning from people who know alot about them like Scott not you. You think Americas cars are the best but one word of advice they arent.

ya i know you didn't scottracer did

[bullgatti]

I never said there were no fast jap cars. Yeah and who dominates the curves?? What was it?? Euro cars aahhh thats the answer. I know alot about cars but am still learning from people who know alot about them like Scott not you. You think Americas cars are the best but one word of advice they arent.

not in rolex cup they dont american gto eats euro cars

[anarchypro]

PS: you think you know eveything about cars, scott annoys you and the reason he annoys you is because he knows more than you about cars and people like that annoy you :aetsch:[/QUOTE]

yes i know alot about cars because i work on them for a living i own a performance shop in florida (anarchy performance)

[bullgatti]

people shouldnt talk about cars till they have driven a car

[Gamerkid360]

people shouldnt talk about cars till they have driven a car


I know I am only 12 but my dad has tought me how to drive and I have driven cars!

[Gamerkid360]

yes i know alot about cars because i work on them for a living i own a performance shop in florida (anarchy performance)[/QUOTE]


Hey maybe if I want my car tuned when I'm older I will definitly use you man!!

[Gamerkid360]

not in rolex cup they dont american gto eats euro cars


Are the cars in the rolex cup the exact cars you drive everyday? NO! Hey the GTO isn't American it's a Vauxhall VXR. The engine is american which means it's rubbish but hey the car isn't. In everyday life a pontiac GTO isn't as good as euro cars!

[bullgatti]

what type of car?

if its not american he wont do it

[Gamerkid360]

i said he annoys me because he says v8's are junk and he has a ferrari for a pic

No he said AMERICAN V8's are junk. Because they most of the time don't even achieve 100 hp per litre unless they are custom tuned with turbos. What he is saying is that American V8's are underpowered per litre!

[Gamerkid360]

what type of car?

if its not american he wont do it

Not true I will buy one american car A FORD GT! thats all the rest are rubbish pretty much!

[bullgatti]

Are the cars in the rolex cup the exact cars you drive everyday? NO! Hey the GTO isn't American it's a Vauxhall VXR. The engine is american which means it's rubbish but hey the car isn't. In everyday life a pontiac GTO isn't as good as euro cars!

how many times do i have to say i like euro cars

and your not american if you hate american v8s the monaro is a cool car to i have nothing against it but the gto is the american one just like there are jad nsk and american nsx

[bullgatti]

Not true I will buy one american car A FORD GT! thats all the rest are rubbish pretty much!

how is it not true i just said if it wasnt he wouldnt work on it

[Gamerkid360]

how many times do i have to say i like euro cars

and your not american if you hate american v8s the monaro is a cool car to i have nothing against it but the gto is the american one just like there are jad nsk and american nsx

Agreed. Just because I am American doesn't mean I have to like our underpowered per litre V8's. I am a euro handling performance car freak!!

[bullgatti]

No he said AMERICAN V8's are junk. Because they most of the time don't even achieve 100 hp per litre unless they are custom tuned with turbos. What he is saying is that American V8's are underpowered per litre!

were americans thats what we do tune moto'sr and add power

[Gamerkid360]

how is it not true i just said if it wasnt he wouldnt work on it


Sorry misread it!

[bullgatti]

Agreed. Just because I am American doesn't mean I have to like our underpowered per litre V8's. I am a euro handling performance car freak!!

then go to europe get out your taking up space

[Gamerkid360]

then go to europe get out


I love America but I also love Europe I would go if I could IM 12 13 in well 10 days! I cant leave!!

[bullgatti]

as americans we (well me and anrchypro) were born to add superchargers and power to our big v8's

[bullgatti]

on a race track the bmw the rx8 cant keep up with the gto

full on race cars all that is done to the gto in rolex is suspension and weight removed

[Gamerkid360]

on a race track the bmw the rx8 cant keep up with the gto

Which bmw and the rx8..know wonder the rx8 comes standard with only 238 hp compared to 400 thats why. unfair comparison different hp and tourque class!

[Gamerkid360]

were americans thats what we do tune moto'sr and add power


How about tune your suspension and power and make it fast and handle well. Oh yeah all americans want is to win stoplight drags.

[anarchypro]

hey do you even have xbox live

[bullgatti]

on a race track the bmw the rx8 cant keep up with the gto

Which bmw and the rx8..know wonder the rx8 comes standard with only 238 hp compared to 400 thats why. unfair comparison different hp and tourque class!

all in the same class so it should hang dont remember what bmw

[bullgatti]

How about tune your suspension and power and make it fast and handle well. Oh yeah all americans want is to win stoplight drags.

your american i like road course but you cant race road course on street

[anarchypro]

How about tune your suspension and power and make it fast and handle well. Oh yeah all americans want is to win stoplight drags.

last time i checked you were american so why are your making fun of your self

[Gamerkid360]

as americans we (well me and anrchypro) were born to add superchargers and power to our big v8's


You can spend alot of money and time on that. Over time you probably spend enough to get a 911 GT3 or Turbo and you would save time still get the performance plus you would get brilliant handling. And better styling which to me is a waay better deal!

[Gamerkid360]

last time i checked you were american so why are your making fun of your self

Because i'm not like normal Americans who all they want to win is stoplight drags!

[Gamerkid360]

your american i like road course but you cant race road course on street


Take it to a track where it's legal to go fast!

[bullgatti]

You can spend alot of money and time on that. Over time you probably spend enough to get a 911 GT3 or Turbo and you would save time still get the performance plus you would get brilliant handling. And better styling which to me is a waay better deal!

i rather have raw power and handiling doesnt cost alot for suspension

[Gamerkid360]

all in the same class so it should hang dont remember what bmw

Okay you won that battle.

[bullgatti]

Because i'm not like normal Americans who all they want to win is stoplight drags!

stop saying that you have no clue about the world let alone your country

[Gamerkid360]

hey do you even have xbox live

No I will let you know when I get it though and my gamertag.

[Gamerkid360]

i rather have raw power and handiling doesnt cost alot for suspension


I just love great handling cars with power.

[bullgatti]

I just love great handling cars with power.

doesnt cost alot to buy stuff for the car plus because you built it you know alot more about it

[anarchypro]

ok if you want a road course come to sebring international raceway in florida on may 9th which is next week if you don't no and i'll be there and we can see if a jap or euro car can beat my mustang

[Gamerkid360]

ok if you want a road course come to sebring international raceway in florida on may 9th which is next week if you don't no and i'll be there and we can see if a jap or euro car can be my mustang


Can it be any jap or euro car and btw I cant come that is 4 days before my b-day and I have school

[Gamerkid360]

ok if you want a road course come to sebring international raceway in florida on may 9th which is next week if you don't no and i'll be there and we can see if a jap or euro car can beat my mustang


I actually like your mustang but I still like euro cars. your stang is very nice I like Fords more than GM!

[bullgatti]

I actually like your mustang but I still like euro cars. your stang is very nice I like Fords more than GM!

scotracer and you brang up euro cars not us this thread is about stupid jap ricers

[Gamerkid360]

scotracer any you brang up euro cars not us this thread is about stupid jap ricers

Then lets talk about stupid jap ricers!

[bullgatti]

have you watched the vid i posted

pretty funny

[Gamerkid360]

have you watched the vid i posted

pretty funny

Nope where is it posted?

[bullgatti]

http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/video/...ompilation.wmv

HERE IT IS

[Scotracer]

scotracer and you brang up euro cars not us this thread is about stupid jap ricers

I was making a comment about its not all about horsepower and straight line speed. To be honest I could'nt care if my car was faster in a straight line that someone elses. As long as it handled well I would be happy. And you were saying about buying add-ons to make the car better. There is only so much after-market add-ons can do for a car. You can't change the whole suspension system with most kits/components. So why not buy a great handling car in the first place (Evo, Impreza, Skyline and such-like) and then add more power. You cannot say it is hard to get alot of power out of those cars. I have seen loads of Japanese rockets with 500+BHP. If you are building a car for track-days etc, you don't buy a crap handling car (Mustang included) then just stick tons of power in the thing, it just doesn't work.

Anarchy, how much does your Mustang weigh? I bet you didn't even take it into consideration, but it is a fundemental for car acceleration and handling. F=ma, Newtons 2nd law of dynamics. It is the most basic way of calculating a vehichles performance, but its shows that a=F/m. Even if your car has a thousand horsepower, it just can't accelerate that fast if it weighs alot (Acceleration is indirectly proportional to mass). Yes this equation doesn't account for traction, coefficient of friction between tyre/road, rolling resistance or Aerodynamic drag. But this is lost on most people, so I will spare it. You may ask how it effects handling. It is fairly straight-forward; As a car builds speed, it gains inertia...Inertia is a force which wants the object to continue in a straight trajectory. The more mass the vehicle has, the higher the Inertia, and therefore the less it wants to turn in the corners.

Anyway, thats enough ranting....back to the subject at hand. Anarchy, how much have you spent on your car? If it is alot you are fighting a losing battle. You cannot compare a fully modded car to a standard, or lightly modified one. Sebring is not a good place to test the cars as it is a open wide circuit. The best place to test the cars would be across here in the UK, but as that is kinda impossible; Laguna Seca would be a better place, as it is tighter and really shows off a cars handling.

I will finish with this statement: Formula 1 cars at the end of last year had to change engines, from 3 litre V10s to 2.4 V8s. This caused a drop of around 200BHP. Even after this, they managed to be 1.3 seconds faster a lap around the Silverstone racing circuit. Does this not show that horsepower isn't key?

[bullgatti]

I was making a comment about its not all about horsepower and straight line speed. To be honest I could'nt care if my car was faster in a straight line that someone elses. As long as it handled well I would be happy. And you were saying about buying add-ons to make the car better. There is only so much after-market add-ons can do for a car. You can't change the whole suspension system with most kits/components. So why not buy a great handling car in the first place (Evo, Impreza, Skyline and such-like) and then add more power. You cannot say it is hard to get alot of power out of those cars. I have seen loads of Japanese rockets with 500+BHP. If you are building a car for track-days etc, you don't buy a crap handling car (Mustang included) then just stick tons of power in the thing, it just doesn't work.

Anarchy, how much does your Mustang weigh? I bet you didn't even take it into consideration, but it is a fundemental for car acceleration and handling. F=ma, Newtons 2nd law of dynamics. It is the most basic way of calculating a vehichles performance, but its shows that a=F/m. Even if your car has a thousand horsepower, it just can't accelerate that fast if it weighs alot (Acceleration is indirectly proportional to mass). Yes this equation doesn't account for traction, coefficient of friction between tyre/road, rolling resistance or Aerodynamic drag. But this is lost on most people, so I will spare it. You may ask how it effects handling. It is fairly straight-forward; As a car builds speed, it gains inertia...Inertia is a force which wants the object to continue in a straight trajectory. The more mass the vehicle has, the higher the Inertia, and therefore the less it wants to turn in the corners.

Anyway, thats enough ranting....back to the subject at hand. Anarchy, how much have you spent on your car? If it is alot you are fighting a losing battle. You cannot compare a fully modded car to a standard, or lightly modified one. Sebring is not a good place to test the cars as it is a open wide circuit. The best place to test the cars would be across here in the UK, but as that is kinda impossible; Laguna Seca would be a better place, as it is tighter and really shows off a cars handling.

I will finish with this statement: Formula 1 cars at the end of last year had to change engines, from 3 litre V10s to 2.4 V8s. This caused a drop of around 200BHP. Even after this, they managed to be 1.3 seconds faster a lap around the Silverstone racing circuit. Does this not show that horsepower isn't key?


its not about having the best car its about having a fun car that is fun to drive you love f1 to much and want the best car in the world your getting to hung up on all this tech **** its about having fun and enjoy the car

[anarchypro]

Kenne Bell polished intake manifold
36lb injectors
03/04 Cobra gas tank with dual highflow SVT pumps
Gloss black gas tank cover with chrome straps.
Steeda CAI
Team Breed fully polished cam covers
Canton polished aluminum coolant tank
Canton polished aluminum power-steering fluid reservoir
PowerMaster 200 amp chrome alternator
Custom polished billet alternator bracket (by MPW/Steeda.ca)
CoolFlex upper rad hose
Assorted billet caps/covers from Steeda/UPR/MGW/SnkyPete
Odyssey Billet Battery hold-down
Optima Blue Top Battery
Custom SCT tune by Paul Meister - MPW/Steeda

Exhaust:
Bassani stainless catted X-pipe
Borla stainless cat-back

Suspension:
Steeda sport springs
Steeda front and rear sway bars
Steeda billet weightjacker lower control arms
Steeda billet non-adjustable upper control arms
Steeda 4-bolt caster/camber plates
Steeda bumpsteer kit/tie rods/end links/ball joints
Steeda offset A-arm bushings

Tokico 5-way adjustable shocks/struts
welded in subframe connectors

Drivetrain:
FRP aluminum driveshaft
FRP driveshaft loop
4:10 gear
Pro 5.0 shifter with Steeda triax handle

Brakes:
FRP Cobra brake upgrade
FRP Mach 1 front calipers
SS brake lines
Baer Eratispeed zinc-washed cross-drilled/slotted rotors
Hawk pads
7/16" drop in front wheel spacers with longer ARP wheel studs
1" MM hubcentric rear wheel spacers

Steering
Flaming River power steering rack and shaft.

now scott if you would have takin time to read you would have seen that i did just put power into i worked on the Suspension and everything else. and i don't understand how you can say that sebring is wide open it is the oldest road courses in america!!! and no its not an F1 track so its not going to have really tight turns and that is wut makes it so great. oh and by the way it is a great place to test a car

[bullgatti]

what kind of car do you own scot

[anarchypro]

you don't buy a crap handling car (Mustang included) then just stick tons of power in the thing, it just doesn't work.
I will finish with this statement: Formula 1 cars at the end of last year had to change engines, from 3 litre V10s to 2.4 V8s. This caused a drop of around 200BHP. Even after this, they managed to be 1.3 seconds faster a lap around the Silverstone racing circuit. Does this not show that horsepower isn't key?

when did we ever say anything about F1 cars thats right we didn't this is about jap cars and american cars and by the way you can't compare a F1 car to any stock or modified car because it is not even close to anything that you would see on the road.

[anarchypro]

Sebring International Raceway is America’s premier sports car racing facility. Nestled among the orange groves and cattle ranches of central Florida, it is the oldest permanent road racing track in North America, evolving from a World War II air base.

http://www.sebringraceway.com/about.lasso

[Gamerkid360]

I was making a comment about its not all about horsepower and straight line speed. To be honest I could'nt care if my car was faster in a straight line that someone elses. As long as it handled well I would be happy. And you were saying about buying add-ons to make the car better. There is only so much after-market add-ons can do for a car. You can't change the whole suspension system with most kits/components. So why not buy a great handling car in the first place (Evo, Impreza, Skyline and such-like) and then add more power. You cannot say it is hard to get alot of power out of those cars. I have seen loads of Japanese rockets with 500+BHP. If you are building a car for track-days etc, you don't buy a crap handling car (Mustang included) then just stick tons of power in the thing, it just doesn't work.

Anarchy, how much does your Mustang weigh? I bet you didn't even take it into consideration, but it is a fundemental for car acceleration and handling. F=ma, Newtons 2nd law of dynamics. It is the most basic way of calculating a vehichles performance, but its shows that a=F/m. Even if your car has a thousand horsepower, it just can't accelerate that fast if it weighs alot (Acceleration is indirectly proportional to mass). Yes this equation doesn't account for traction, coefficient of friction between tyre/road, rolling resistance or Aerodynamic drag. But this is lost on most people, so I will spare it. You may ask how it effects handling. It is fairly straight-forward; As a car builds speed, it gains inertia...Inertia is a force which wants the object to continue in a straight trajectory. The more mass the vehicle has, the higher the Inertia, and therefore the less it wants to turn in the corners.

Anyway, thats enough ranting....back to the subject at hand. Anarchy, how much have you spent on your car? If it is alot you are fighting a losing battle. You cannot compare a fully modded car to a standard, or lightly modified one. Sebring is not a good place to test the cars as it is a open wide circuit. The best place to test the cars would be across here in the UK, but as that is kinda impossible; Laguna Seca would be a better place, as it is tighter and really shows off a cars handling.

I will finish with this statement: Formula 1 cars at the end of last year had to change engines, from 3 litre V10s to 2.4 V8s. This caused a drop of around 200BHP. Even after this, they managed to be 1.3 seconds faster a lap around the Silverstone racing circuit. Does this not show that horsepower isn't key?


:dito: Nicely put scott totally agree!

[Gamerkid360]

its not about having the best car its about having a fun car that is fun to drive you love f1 to much and want the best car in the world your getting to hung up on all this tech **** its about having fun and enjoy the car


Maybe the tech stuff is what he's interested in. But I do agree I like to have fun with a car and the only way to do that is with the tech stuff and having a car that is lightweight and handles well!

[Gamerkid360]

when did we ever say anything about F1 cars thats right we didn't this is about jap cars and american cars and by the way you can't compare a F1 car to any stock or modified car because it is not even close to anything that you would see on the road.


Yes but the same exact principle goes into both. F1 cars lowered there weight and engine size and now they are faster and handle better but with less power. That means that if you want a fast car make it light and make it handle well. It's the ultimate package!!

You are right we didn't say anything about F1 cars but as I said same principle. Lightweight + 250-300 hp + Stiff good suspension = Fast and handles really well and smokes any old V8 muscle car!

[Gamerkid360]

Sebring International Raceway is America’s premier sports car racing facility. Nestled among the orange groves and cattle ranches of central Florida, it is the oldest permanent road racing track in North America, evolving from a World War II air base.

http://www.sebringraceway.com/about.lasso


Nice ever been to Laguna Seca? Nice track this is Americas premier car racing facility!

http://www.laguna-seca.com/

[bullgatti]

gamerkid are your lips permanetly attached to scotracers ass

how can you compare a v8 muscle car to an f1 car

i know all about laguna seca

[Gamerkid360]

gamerkid are your lips permanetly attached to scotracers ass

how can you compare a v8 muscle car to an f1 car

i know all about laguna seca


No but he knows alot about cars and I agree with him.

Laguna Seca is great, ever been there? I haven't and really want to go, I also want to go to the Nurburgring.

Are you talking about Scott or me about the F1 car to V8 muscle car comparison?

[bullgatti]

talking to you about f1
You are right we didn't say anything about F1 cars but as I said same principle. Lightweight + 250-300 hp + Stiff good suspension = Fast and handles really well and smokes any old V8 muscle car!
thats what you said

i live in pennsylvania never been to the west coast

[Gamerkid360]

talking to you about f1
You are right we didn't say anything about F1 cars but as I said same principle. Lightweight + 250-300 hp + Stiff good suspension = Fast and handles really well and smokes any old V8 muscle car!
thats what you said

i live in pennsylvania never been to the west coast


Yes but If you get a lightweight car and do that it smokes anything in it's path. I live on the east coast and have been to the west coast once when I was 7 so thats why I didn't ever go there.

[bullgatti]

it depends on the car ill get a lingenfelter c6 zo6 has handling and power bad ass car with an american v8 427 twin turbo 800 hp

[bullgatti]

me and anarchy are never gonna agree with your views your not gonna agree with ours so it doesnt matter im done talking about it

[anarchypro]

B.S. your not done there is no way we are giving up they just don't understand

[anarchypro]

Maybe the tech stuff is what he's interested in. But I do agree I like to have fun with a car and the only way to do that is with the tech stuff and having a car that is lightweight and handles well!

hey you said it your self your only 12 so stop listening to what your dad is telling you to say and say something that you actualy no

[anarchypro]

oh heres something handling is great but if you can't catch them on the strait you can't win

[Gamerkid360]

me and anarchy are never gonna agree with your views your not gonna agree with ours so it doesnt matter im done talking about it


Okay but don't quit!

[Gamerkid360]

B.S. your not done there is no way we are giving up they just don't understand


Or maybe you just don't understand :boxing:

[anarchypro]

i do understand i own a performance shop i think i no about cars and i've driven plenty of them and worked on more

[Gamerkid360]

hey you said it your self your only 12 so stop listening to what your dad is telling you to say and say something that you actualy no


My dad isn't telling me anything, he knows nothing about cars except Porsches. I have learned from Scott, people I know at the Ferrari, Lamborghini and Maserati dealer Porsche dealer and Aston Martin dealer. And all 5 of my car magazine subscriptions to

Car and Driver

Road & Track

Motor Trend

Automobile

The Dupont Registry

I am only 12 I'm learning so give me a break now a guy you should listen to is scott cause he's an autimotive engineer! :Pcguru:

[Gamerkid360]

oh heres something handling is great but if you can't catch them on the strait you can't win


Not always true. I beleive Top Gear did a test with A Ferrari 360 CS and Porsche 911 GT3 RS and he liked the Ferrari more but on the test lap the Porsche won because of handling. The Ferrari took the lead in the first 2 straights then the porshce came back and won and one more thing the man driving the ferrari was the Ferrari F-1 team test driver and the Porshce won with less power but lightness and great handling!

[anarchypro]

thats great he knows about his cars and i know about my cars and magazines can't tell you everything about cars

[Gamerkid360]

i do understand i own a performance shop i think i no about cars and i've driven plenty of them and worked on more


Doesn't mean that you know the basic laws of physics and hanling.

[Gamerkid360]

thats great he knows about his cars and i know about my cars and magazines can't tell you everything about cars


Yeah well Ferrari workshop guys and Aston Martin workshop guys can. They know more about aerodynamics and handling than you!

[Gamerkid360]

about aerodynamics it's sorta the car you have when you have a mustang it looks cooler when you put a big muscle body kit on it.

[Gamerkid360]

Anarchypro have you given up too?

[anarchypro]

it has a cobra R rear spoiler that comes standard

[anarchypro]

Doesn't mean that you know the basic laws of physics and hanling.

ya and neither do you your 12 and wut you are saying is wut scott was saying

[anarchypro]

Yeah well Ferrari workshop guys and Aston Martin workshop guys can. They know more about aerodynamics and handling than you!

once again this thread is abouit jap cars and american car not euro cars

[anarchypro]

so why don't you come up with your own stuff and stop taking wut other people are saying

[Gamerkid360]

it has a cobra R rear spoiler that comes standard


Nice. your stang does look awesome.

[Gamerkid360]

ya and neither do you your 12 and wut you are saying is wut scott was saying


Correct and Incorrect what I am saying is from my book of physics that is right next to me.

[Gamerkid360]

once again this thread is abouit jap cars and american car not euro cars


But you were talking about F-1 cars same points and stuff!

[Gamerkid360]

so why don't you come up with your own stuff and stop taking wut other people are saying


I did again from my book of physics oh and whats the 0-60 and 1/4 mile time on your stang?

[anarchypro]

(What 1/4 or 1/8 times are you running?)

my last 1/4 time was 10:7 but that was before we rebuilt the engine


if you would have read all the posts and not just started talking you would have seen that i already said

[anarchypro]

once again your 12 you don't take physics until high school

[Gamerkid360]

if you would have read all the posts and not just started talking you would have seen that i already said


Sorry

[Gamerkid360]

once again your 12 you don't take physics until high school


Well I'm homeschooled and I took physics last year!

[ChuckSteak0331]

Why homeschool?

[bullgatti]

B.S. your not done there is no way we are giving up they just don't understand

ok im not

[bullgatti]

hes 12 and homeschool ignore him

[bullgatti]

if you want to talk about a light car beating a muscle car then lets talk about race cars tell me why the gto wins in rolex and the gt3 loses

if you have speed channel watch it at 3pm eastern on sunday and see for yourself

[Don_Rico]

The Japan cars are far more advanced, as it have been stated in this thread, horsepower isn't all. Myself I prefer the Japan cars, they're acctually advancing in the car-evolution.

Off topic: I've never seen so many duble/triple/quadruple post in a thread ever before! Use the edit button, do not post like that, please.

[bullgatti]

The Japan cars are far more advanced, as it have been stated in this thread, horsepower isn't all. Myself I prefer the Japan cars, they're acctually advancing in the car-evolution.

Off topic: I've never seen so many duble/triple/quadruple post in a thread ever before! Use the edit button, do not post like that, please.

first off dont tell me what to do

horsepower isnt everything i never said it was but you dont need a jap car to have good handling thats why they sell aftermarket parts

my gto with a kenne bell supercharger and a full lingenfelter suspension and some weight removed would dominate

[Don_Rico]

first off dont tell me what to do

horsepower isnt everything i never said it was but you dont need a jap car to have good handling thats why they sell aftermarket parts

my gto with a kenne bell supercharger and a full lingenfelter suspension and some weight removed would dominate

I didn't tell you what to do, it was a request. And in the rules of the site it states that double posts isn't allowed.

And I never said that, I was talking about non-modded cars, there's a big difference there.

[bullgatti]

non modded are boring

a non modded vette would beat a jap car any day

[Redshirt013]

Heads up - looks like there is some fact- checking underway here:

This is from my buddy Jobe, all below this line is the knowledge he has in regard to what was read about the mustang.

Let me first start off by saying I was pointed to this site from a buddy of mine because I modify, upgrade and repair cars both Domestic and Imported and have been doing it for many years. After reading the comments from “anarchypro” I decided that it would be best I shut him the hell up before he digs himself a deeper hole of lies.

AnarchyPro – “oh and another thing i guarantee no honda civic could ever beat my
mustang”

Really? You guarantee that you could come here to Colorado at High Elevation and beat our 10.4 Second Honda Civic Hatch? If you think Im joking please feel free to go to www.hondaracingcrew.com and look for a person named Servion. Or you can check out http://www.serviontuning.com/ and see exactly what he does here at a HIGHER elevation than you’ll ever run that piece of **** in.

AnarchyPro –
“mod list, .Kenne Bell BLOWZILLA 2200 (2.2L)
.3-1/4 pulley
.9.0 LB's of boost
.757 HP
.709 FT LB's”

Let me see, 9.0lbs of boost….but you made 757hp? Are you serious? A mustang with that much horsepower would be noted somewhere especially at the site of the track you ran at. A normal person using any resources of internet can give you a bull**** flag in a heartbeat….lookie here there is a website for kenne bell superchargers…and oh my god there is a paragraph that talks about how Kenne Bell (that would be the manufacturer of your charger and they stated THEY only made 682hp at the highest psi possible on their charger? Now they did test this on a 4.6l from a Mustang GT but even so there is a HUGE difference between 9psi and 20psi. I would have been more of a believer if you would of said 20psi but you don’t know what your talking about. But yet you claim you took their charger and made 757hp?? Wanna call the manufacturer a liar? How about the fact that a Type-R Cobra only produced 384bhp Stock?.

Source for Cobra Type R - http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z438/default.aspx

Anarchpro – “more mods”

more mods.....
Kenne Bell polished intake manifold
36lb injectors
03/04 Cobra gas tank with dual highflow SVT pumps
Gloss black gas tank cover with chrome straps.
Team Breed fully polished cam covers
Canton polished aluminum coolant tank
Canton polished aluminum power-steering fluid reservoir
PowerMaster 200 amp chrome alternator
Custom polished billet alternator bracket
CoolFlex upper rad hose
Assorted billet caps/covers from Steeda/UPR/MGW/SnkyPete
Odyssey Billet Battery hold-down
Optima Blue Top Battery

So let me get this straight, the only “motor” mods you have on your car is the supercharger the 9lb pulley and some fuel injectors and a pump? I’m amazed you even put the chrome **** as mods seeing as how that is something a RICER would do. You don’t have **** for mods.

Anarchypro – “my last 1/4 time was 10:7 but that was before we rebuilt the engine”

You ran a 10.7? Where’s your slip? Show me a dyno. Have some backup, cause I call bull**** all day.

Anarchypro – “oh come on guys can't say anything else exactly because you no that no Japanese car can ever touch an AMERICAN car. because we can do one thing to our engines and produce twice as much HP as any Japanese car.
but with a Japanese car you have to spend like 10,000 dollars and maybe get 400 HP”

Are you kidding me? This has got to be the most asinine comment I’ve seen come out of your mouth. The same Honda Civic that I spoke of early made almost 700HP in the same 4Cyl motor that is available for any Honda. You know nothing, you should only speak of your own car, cause you obviously don’t get around much. I guarantee there is at least 30 different cars here that would stomp on you continuously. The sad part is, here in Colorado the elevation is higher than sea level MUCH higher, if you even RAN a 10.7 you wouldn’t run anything CLOSE to that up here and there are many people that run 10’s or faster in Imports. What about skylines? Can you beat all of those? We happen to have 4 of them here, and more than likely even if you ran a 10.7 3 of them could beat you easily.

Anarchypro – “oh and gamerkid mabe you should go to another thread because you obviously don't no anything about cars”

And you do?

Anarchypro – “ya it mite be good in 0-60 but it can't handle the 1/4 thats were the american car dominates”

Your really ****ing stupid.

Anarchypro – “yes i know alot about cars because i work on them for a living i own a performance shop in florida (anarchy performance)”

Oh boy…from www.dexonline.com we find that…

No listings found matching "anarchy performance" in City Of Pensacola, FL.

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No listings found matching "anarchy performance" in City Of Sunrise, FL.
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No exact matches found. See closest matches below.
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So I just went through every major city through the Qwest online directory and couldn’t find anything nearby or close to any of those cities? But you say it does exist? What’s the number to your shop? Website? Where can we verify some of your work? I happen to know a bunch of shops here in the springs, but when you search for them guess what, they actually have results to display!

Anarchypro – “oh heres something handling is great but if you can't catch them on the strait you can't win”

There is another laugh, I happen to know for a fact that a 2006 STI will have a faster lap time than a 03 Cobra producing close to 600WHP. Unlike you however our buddies Cobra actually have PROVEN 600WHP and he has more mods than you. Its amazing you can create such a powerhouse of machine with so little mods. Please tell me, how DO you do it? If you actually knew what you were doing you wouldn’t make your car look so silly. And you definitely wouldn’t come up with numbers like that. If you think your car is fast enough than by all means back up all your claims. And if you think I’m bull****ting by all means come to www.coracing.com find my name “Jobe3KVR4” and come say something, if you posted half the **** you did here on our board you wouldn’t last a minute, these gamers don’t know any better so they just nod their head and say uh huh. If you want to run real cars, then high altitude racing is the only test. End of story.

[bullgatti]

is that jap **** even street legal

[Redshirt013]

is that jap **** even street legal

Jobe sez:

That jap **** is completley and legally registered in Colorado, he drives the car to the track, swaps tires, gets off the track, swaps tires, and drives home. EVERYTIME. It is completely street legal.

[bullgatti]

that charger adds 300+hp if his motor is making 400+ then there you go

[Scotracer]

Thanks for that addition Redshirt, maybe with actual figures to referance, those 2 will actually talk sense. I am an Automotive engineering student, so don't have much practical experience. Your addition has helped alot!

And on the topic of quarter mile times. I know of a tuning company that has a car, a supra, that can run a 9.4 1/4. it is 1200BHP. What do you think the purpose of 4WD is? Of course it is for traction, which is VERY useful off the line. So don't expect to see your Mustang destroying many Evos or Skylines off the line.

Anarchy, Redshirt has pointed it out, that you have blatantly come on this site expecting the members to be naive towards cars. It has been shown that, that is not the case. So if you are going to BS, don't take it as fact or just shut up.

Redshirt, what altitude are you at? 3 thousand feet? If so that has a massive impact on the performance of the car. Basically becuase the air density is lower, but since the same volume is drawn into the engine- lower power outputs are produced. It basically can take 20-30% of the peak power output away from the engine. And running a 10.7 at that elavation is some achievement!

[Scotracer]

is that jap **** even street legal

Your comments are almost laughable. You slate the Japanese cars and promote the US ones. The best part is you don't even drive an American car! Just hilarious.

[Redshirt013]

Scotracer: Thanx for the props, but this info is not mine...

Jobe is the gentleman behind the words. I'm just posting for him :) I am getting some good education though!

Here is more:

You obvioulsy have your head so far up that dudes ass you dont read, GO HERE

http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/gt96-03_2v/gt99-04_2200.htm

9lb pulley DOES NOT ADD 300HP. PERIOD.

[bullgatti]

nothings gonna change my mind because i hate ricers and front wheel ****

[Redshirt013]

Jobe sez:

ScotRacer-

Bandimere Speedway is at 5860 Feet Above Sea Level

For more information about our speedway -

correction:

http://209.196.5.40/tracks_front.asp?trackid=106&series=5

[bullgatti]

04 gto is my dads my car is a 1969 firebird all american

[Redshirt013]

Jobe sez:

My response is to Anarchy, period. I merely want proof for his accusations. Until then, hes just another ricer with hopes and dreams.

[Scotracer]

Jobe sez:

ScotRacer-

Bandimere Speedway is at 5860 Feet Above Sea Level

For more information about our speedway -

http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/gt96-03_2v/gt99-04_2200.htm

Whoa. That is some altitude. What modifications to the intake systems do you make to get the most at that altitude? I suspect alot of engine re-mapping.

[Don_Rico]

nothings gonna change my mind because i hate ricers and front wheel ****

Oh, that was kinda racist and a low intelligence post at the same time! I see a ban heading your way.

[bullgatti]

a ricer describes a car how is it racist

[Redshirt013]

Jobe sez:

There are a lot of things to consider when your building cars/motors at this elevation. The major ones are lower compression, higher boost, more fuel (fuel rail, injectors, etc). Unlike sea level if we push more than the motor can take **** goes boom.

[Scotracer]

Jobe sez:

There are a lot of things to consider when your building cars/motors at this elevation. The major ones are lower compression, higher boost, more fuel (fuel rail, injectors, etc). Unlike sea level if we push more than the motor can take **** goes boom.

Ok, thanks, more information for me :)

Bullgatti, the fact they are called ricers, is because of they're origins. I know many people who would take offense by it. Actually I do myself, just because you are naive and don't know anything about the Japanese cars that are basically taking over the automotive world.

[bullgatti]

Ok, thanks, more information for me :)

Bullgatti, the fact they are called ricers, is because of they're origins. I know many people who would take offense by it. Actually I do myself, just because you are naive and don't know anything about the Japanese cars that are basically taking over the automotive world.

what about your buddy redshirt he said ricer to but im the asshole so ***** me out

and i could really give a **** if i get banned

[Scotracer]

I know he used it, it's not a great way to describe Japanese cars. I don't promote anyone using it. But you said it wasn't a racist remark, so I corrected you.

[anarchypro]

ok red shirt if your going to say anything about my supercharger get the right one first
http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/cobra99-014v/cobra_99-014v.htm

[anarchypro]

Heads up - looks like there is some fact- checking underway here:

This is from my buddy Jobe, all below this line is the knowledge he has in regard to what was read about the mustang.

Let me first start off by saying I was pointed to this site from a buddy of mine because I modify, upgrade and repair cars both Domestic and Imported and have been doing it for many years. After reading the comments from “anarchypro” I decided that it would be best I shut him the hell up before he digs himself a deeper hole of lies.

AnarchyPro – “oh and another thing i guarantee no honda civic could ever beat my
mustang”

Really? You guarantee that you could come here to Colorado at High Elevation and beat our 10.4 Second Honda Civic Hatch? If you think Im joking please feel free to go to www.hondaracingcrew.com and look for a person named Servion. Or you can check out http://www.serviontuning.com/ and see exactly what he does here at a HIGHER elevation than you’ll ever run that piece of **** in.

AnarchyPro –
“mod list, .Kenne Bell BLOWZILLA 2200 (2.2L)
.3-1/4 pulley
.9.0 LB's of boost
.757 HP
.709 FT LB's”

Let me see, 9.0lbs of boost….but you made 757hp? Are you serious? A mustang with that much horsepower would be noted somewhere especially at the site of the track you ran at. A normal person using any resources of internet can give you a bull**** flag in a heartbeat….lookie here there is a website for kenne bell superchargers…and oh my god there is a paragraph that talks about how Kenne Bell (that would be the manufacturer of your charger and they stated THEY only made 682hp at the highest psi possible on their charger? Now they did test this on a 4.6l from a Mustang GT but even so there is a HUGE difference between 9psi and 20psi. I would have been more of a believer if you would of said 20psi but you don’t know what your talking about. But yet you claim you took their charger and made 757hp?? Wanna call the manufacturer a liar? How about the fact that a Type-R Cobra only produced 384bhp Stock?.

Source for Cobra Type R - http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z438/default.aspx

Anarchpro – “more mods”

more mods.....
Kenne Bell polished intake manifold
36lb injectors
03/04 Cobra gas tank with dual highflow SVT pumps
Gloss black gas tank cover with chrome straps.
Team Breed fully polished cam covers
Canton polished aluminum coolant tank
Canton polished aluminum power-steering fluid reservoir
PowerMaster 200 amp chrome alternator
Custom polished billet alternator bracket
CoolFlex upper rad hose
Assorted billet caps/covers from Steeda/UPR/MGW/SnkyPete
Odyssey Billet Battery hold-down
Optima Blue Top Battery

So let me get this straight, the only “motor” mods you have on your car is the supercharger the 9lb pulley and some fuel injectors and a pump? I’m amazed you even put the chrome **** as mods seeing as how that is something a RICER would do. You don’t have **** for mods.

Anarchypro – “my last 1/4 time was 10:7 but that was before we rebuilt the engine”

You ran a 10.7? Where’s your slip? Show me a dyno. Have some backup, cause I call bull**** all day.

Anarchypro – “oh come on guys can't say anything else exactly because you no that no Japanese car can ever touch an AMERICAN car. because we can do one thing to our engines and produce twice as much HP as any Japanese car.
but with a Japanese car you have to spend like 10,000 dollars and maybe get 400 HP”

Are you kidding me? This has got to be the most asinine comment I’ve seen come out of your mouth. The same Honda Civic that I spoke of early made almost 700HP in the same 4Cyl motor that is available for any Honda. You know nothing, you should only speak of your own car, cause you obviously don’t get around much. I guarantee there is at least 30 different cars here that would stomp on you continuously. The sad part is, here in Colorado the elevation is higher than sea level MUCH higher, if you even RAN a 10.7 you wouldn’t run anything CLOSE to that up here and there are many people that run 10’s or faster in Imports. What about skylines? Can you beat all of those? We happen to have 4 of them here, and more than likely even if you ran a 10.7 3 of them could beat you easily.

Anarchypro – “oh and gamerkid mabe you should go to another thread because you obviously don't no anything about cars”

And you do?

Anarchypro – “ya it mite be good in 0-60 but it can't handle the 1/4 thats were the american car dominates”

Your really ****ing stupid.

Anarchypro – “yes i know alot about cars because i work on them for a living i own a performance shop in florida (anarchy performance)”

Oh boy…from www.dexonline.com we find that…

No listings found matching "anarchy performance" in City Of Pensacola, FL.

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No exact matches found. See closest matches below.
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So I just went through every major city through the Qwest online directory and couldn’t find anything nearby or close to any of those cities? But you say it does exist? What’s the number to your shop? Website? Where can we verify some of your work? I happen to know a bunch of shops here in the springs, but when you search for them guess what, they actually have results to display!

Anarchypro – “oh heres something handling is great but if you can't catch them on the strait you can't win”

There is another laugh, I happen to know for a fact that a 2006 STI will have a faster lap time than a 03 Cobra producing close to 600WHP. Unlike you however our buddies Cobra actually have PROVEN 600WHP and he has more mods than you. Its amazing you can create such a powerhouse of machine with so little mods. Please tell me, how DO you do it? If you actually knew what you were doing you wouldn’t make your car look so silly. And you definitely wouldn’t come up with numbers like that. If you think your car is fast enough than by all means back up all your claims. And if you think I’m bull****ting by all means come to www.coracing.com find my name “Jobe3KVR4” and come say something, if you posted half the **** you did here on our board you wouldn’t last a minute, these gamers don’t know any better so they just nod their head and say uh huh. If you want to run real cars, then high altitude racing is the only test. End of story.

for one thing my shop is also my house so its not going to be listed and its local.

(Let me see, 9.0lbs of boost….but you made 757hp? Are you serious? A mustang with that much horsepower would be noted somewhere especially at the site of the track you ran at) i have not ran it at a track yet that is why im going to sebring next week so if you want to bring your "friends" civic down i'll be waiting oh and you should bring your car to since your talking ****

[bullgatti]

concept carz is not a reliable site for spec info they get stuff wrong alot

and as far as laptimes it depends on the track

do you have pics of this honda you love so much link me to them on your honda crews website

[anarchypro]

Jobe sez:

My response is to Anarchy, period. I merely want proof for his accusations. Until then, hes just another ricer with hopes and dreams.

how am i a ricer i have an american car not a jap car

[Redshirt013]

anarchypro, scottracer:

Understand kind Sirs that I am forwarding information. I challenge you to read the post in its entirety.

Again - Jobe is the individual that is initiating the chat, not myself.

Also regarding the term "ricer" - it is a saying the specifically identifies ANY individual that mods their car in any way that does not increase its performance.

It looks fast, looks furious, but it taint. Thats a ricer.

So...

J o b e sez:

First, the link you sent me shows lots of info for the Kenne Bell you say you have, but nowhere does it mention a potential anywhere near your claimed HP. The max HP you'd get, tuned, with all supporting mods on that SC is 617, and that is according to Kenne Bell. If you're trying to tell me that you DO have all the supporting mods, you're just not listing them, and that the estimates for Kenne Bell are off by THAT huge of a margin, trust me when I say, I know better. Sorry, but the B.S. flag is still raised, and the only way you're going to get it down is to post your dyno sheet.

[bullgatti]

why doesnt jobe start a name on a free board instead of this talk for people bull****

you need to link me directly to info on this honda not just your forum main typing is not proof need pics

[Redshirt013]

He did say you coud discuss the matter here: ---> www.coracing.com

[Scotracer]

anarchypro, scottracer:

Understand kind Sirs that I am forwarding information. I challenge you to read the post in its entirety.

Again - Jobe is the individual that is initiating the chat, not myself.

Also regarding the term "ricer" - it is a saying the specifically identifies ANY individual that mods their car in any way that does not increase its performance.

It looks fast, looks furious, but it taint. Thats a ricer.

So...

J o b e sez:

First, the link you sent me shows lots of info for the Kenne Bell you say you have, but nowhere does it mention a potential anywhere near your claimed HP. The max HP you'd get, tuned, with all supporting mods on that SC is 617, and that is according to Kenne Bell. If you're trying to tell me that you DO have all the supporting mods, you're just not listing them, and that the estimates for Kenne Bell are off by THAT huge of a margin, trust me when I say, I know better. Sorry, but the B.S. flag is still raised, and the only way you're going to get it down is to post your dyno sheet.

I am not challenging what you are saying. And my bad for getting the definition of ricer wrong. It is not a term used over here in the UK, so please excuse me.

And yes I would like to see a dyno sheet for that Mustang aswell. There has been a few claims of power figures on this site, but they have been backed up by some sort of evidence.

[anarchypro]

for all you none believers heres wut a kenne bell Superchager can do to a car
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=5AEB5B11-34C7-41D4-954F-E02BA5070FA8&p=0

your opinion is your opinion so lets keep it that way im done arguing because we are never going to agree

[Redshirt013]

scottracer: My humble apologies bro got names mixed up... sorry sorry... :(
I meant bullgotti.....

Jobe sez

http://www.serviontuning.com/tuned/servion.php

[bullgatti]

cool man

and its bullgatti

[Gamerkid360]

if you want to talk about a light car beating a muscle car then lets talk about race cars tell me why the gto wins in rolex and the gt3 loses

if you have speed channel watch it at 3pm eastern on sunday and see for yourself


I will watch speed channel on sunday at 3 pm!

[Gamerkid360]

for all you none believers heres wut a kenne bell Superchager can do to a car
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=5AEB5B11-34C7-41D4-954F-E02BA5070FA8&p=0

your opinion is your opinion so lets keep it that way im done arguing because we are never going to agree


Very nice, I might have to get a cobra when I'm older! How much did you pay for all the add ons, superchargers and stuff and how much do you charge to do that!

[anarchypro]

watch these <IFRAME SRC="http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=7EEEAD6A-AB12-474D-9E3F-EA2AE9954A7C" WIDTH="470" HEIGHT="375" FRAMEBORDER="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" SCROLLING="no"></IFRAME>

this is european at its best <IFRAME SRC="http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=3FBE4B7B-2B28-41B4-A541-1A2ADC6764E2" WIDTH="470" HEIGHT="375" FRAMEBORDER="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" SCROLLING="no"></IFRAME>

no civic can do this front wheel drive sucks<IFRAME SRC="http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=E735A60F-7DD5-42A4-96C6-F4CBC59F86C4" WIDTH="470" HEIGHT="375" FRAMEBORDER="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" SCROLLING="no"></IFRAME>

[Gamerkid360]

watch these <IFRAME SRC="http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=7EEEAD6A-AB12-474D-9E3F-EA2AE9954A7C" WIDTH="470" HEIGHT="375" FRAMEBORDER="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" SCROLLING="no"></IFRAME>

this is european at its best <IFRAME SRC="http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=3FBE4B7B-2B28-41B4-A541-1A2ADC6764E2" WIDTH="470" HEIGHT="375" FRAMEBORDER="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" SCROLLING="no"></IFRAME>

no civic can do this front wheel drive sucks<IFRAME SRC="http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=E735A60F-7DD5-42A4-96C6-F4CBC59F86C4" WIDTH="470" HEIGHT="375" FRAMEBORDER="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" SCROLLING="no"></IFRAME>

Can you send me links for those they didn't work.


How much do you charge and how much did you pay for turbos etc. You have transformed me kinda. All that HP aaahhh heaven at last!!

[bullgatti]

fixed them

watch these http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=7EEEAD6A-AB12-474D-9E3F-EA2AE9954A7C

this is european at its best http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=3FBE4B7B-2B28-41B4-A541-1A2ADC6764E2

no civic can do this front wheel drive sucks http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=E735A60F-7DD5-42A4-96C6-F4CBC59F86C4

[bullgatti]

tvr is sick

love the stangs

[Gamerkid360]

fixed them

watch these http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=7EEEAD6A-AB12-474D-9E3F-EA2AE9954A7C

this is european at its best http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=3FBE4B7B-2B28-41B4-A541-1A2ADC6764E2

no civic can do this front wheel drive sucks http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=E735A60F-7DD5-42A4-96C6-F4CBC59F86C4

Thanks and heck yeah TVR is sick!!

[Gamerkid360]

fixed them

watch these http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=7EEEAD6A-AB12-474D-9E3F-EA2AE9954A7C

this is european at its best http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=3FBE4B7B-2B28-41B4-A541-1A2ADC6764E2

no civic can do this front wheel drive sucks http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer.aspx?fileid=E735A60F-7DD5-42A4-96C6-F4CBC59F86C4


Those vids are awesome!!

[anarchypro]

Can you send me links for those they didn't work.


How much do you charge and how much did you pay for turbos etc. You have transformed me kinda. All that HP aaahhh heaven at last!!

im glad to see that you are an american again

[bullgatti]

finally someone sees the light

you can like any car you want but dont say american cars are underpowered

[Scotracer]

I do have to admit, front-wheel drive in most cases is a bad decision. But it can work, very well. For instance the Peugeot 106 GTI was acclaimed as the best handling car of the 1990's, beating the likes of Ferrari 355 and Skylines. And remember this is a very small hatchback, with a 1.6 litre engine.

I could go on for days about how you just can't put that much horsepower into a front-whell drive car. So my solution is always go 4WD for traction, and RWD for handling ;)

[anarchypro]

i agree 4WD

[Redshirt013]

bullgatti: My bad on the name, bro...

Lightning Sez:

You just shot yourself in the foot again there buddy. I've installed one of these in a Cobra, and I know exactly what it's capable of. I've helped build a faster model of the vehicle in that video. On a cobra engine it is capable of just what the comments of that video say it's capable of... 575-650HP. The 2.2 blowzilla on a Cobra will NOT put out the HP you are claiming. That, and you don't even have a Cobra. You claim that you've never gone to the track, but you've dyno'd at 750hp and have run a "10:7 but that was before we rebuilt the engine" ...but you "have not ran it at a track yet" ??? It seems your story has a few holes. Face it, you got pwned. You can't provide a dyno sheet, and it's quite obvious your just putting up a front. If that's your car, I'll give you props for having a "nice looking" car, but you had to know going around spouting 750-800hp out the mouth wasn't going to get you very far. I think Jobe and I are finally finished with you now. I co-own CoRacing.com with Bottoz (the Kenne Bell Cobra I helped build) and because we own a board we won't continue trolling yours, it's just not polite. We would however be happy to discuss this matter with you on our board. Feel free to come on over and chat. You can talk to our 600hp (dyno sheet provided) Civic Hatchback, Servion, as well.

[bullgatti]

4wd is ok but i rather use my foot to manage the power

the lingenfelter corvettes have tons of traction

[bullgatti]

bullgatti: My bad on the name, bro...

Lightning Sez:

You just shot yourself in the foot again there buddy. I've installed one of these in a Cobra, and I know exactly what it's capable of. I've helped build a faster model of the vehicle in that video. On a cobra engine it is capable of just what the comments of that video say it's capable of... 575-650HP. The 2.2 blowzilla on a Cobra will NOT put out the HP you are claiming. That, and you don't even have a Cobra. You claim that you've never gone to the track, but you've dyno'd at 750hp and have run a "10:7 but that was before we rebuilt the engine" ...but you "have not ran it at a track yet" ??? It seems your story has a few holes. Face it, you got pwned. You can't provide a dyno sheet, and it's quite obvious your just putting up a front. If that's your car, I'll give you props for having a "nice looking" car, but you had to know going around spouting 750-800hp out the mouth wasn't going to get you very far. I think Jobe and I are finally finished with you now. I co-own CoRacing.com with Bottoz (the Kenne Bell Cobra I helped build) and because we own a board we won't continue trolling yours, it's just not polite. We would however be happy to discuss this matter with you on our board. Feel free to come on over and chat. You can talk to our 600hp (dyno sheet provided) Civic Hatchback, Servion, as well.

whatever man peace

[Scotracer]

4wd is ok but i rather use my foot to manage the power

the lingenfelter corvettes have tons of traction

True, that 4WD provides more assurance for traction, but it has been proved that it is indeed a hell of alot faster, under heavy-load than RWD. 4WD, in the dry is slower than RWD, but there is a limit to this statement, a point at which a RWD car just can't use the power well to achieve decent lap times. Sorry if you lot are talking about 1/4 mile drag racing, but that is non-existant in the UK so I will be talking about track racing.

[Gamerkid360]

im glad to see that you are an american again

I'm glad to be american again!

[Gamerkid360]

4wd is ok but i rather use my foot to manage the power

the lingenfelter corvettes have tons of traction

:dito: on the track 4wd Drag and on the street RWD! Front wheel sucks!!

[anarchypro]

True, that 4WD provides more assurance for traction, but it has been proved that it is indeed a hell of alot faster, under heavy-load than RWD. 4WD, in the dry is slower than RWD, but there is a limit to this statement, a point at which a RWD car just can't use the power well to achieve decent lap times. Sorry if you lot are talking about 1/4 mile drag racing, but that is non-existant in the UK so I will be talking about track racing.

thats cool i agree with you

[bullgatti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnAwoGSoPdg&search=ricers

all wheel cant handle this

[anarchypro]

hers something http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFbCBX8wQU

[bullgatti]

hers something http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFbCBX8wQU

that is so funny

[Gamerkid360]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnAwoGSoPdg&search=ricers

all wheel cant handle this


Nice!!

[Gamerkid360]

that is so funny

That has to be the most retarded car I have ever seen!! :)

[anarchypro]

funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwDy3lTxX8Y

[Gamerkid360]

funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwDy3lTxX8Y

Nice find very funny!

[bullgatti]

funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwDy3lTxX8Y

that was funny

[anarchypro]

hay scot if you want to chill on pgr3 hit me up with FR brovo

[Gamerkid360]

hay scot if you want to chill on pgr3 hit me up with FR brovo


I would play if I had live which I don't back to topic my dad used to have a Toyota camry and the thing was horrible sounded aweful and my friend was all over my dad telling him to soup it up and he said no and now he has a porsche. I wonder if my friend wants him to make a piece of junk out of that also!

[Gamerkid360]

that was funny


Heck yeah that was funny got any more videos of ricers and sweet stangs and vetts?

[bullgatti]

Heck yeah that was funny got any more videos of ricers and sweet stangs and vetts?

go to youtube.com and streetfire.net just search for mustang or corvette or whatever

[Gamerkid360]

go to youtube.com and streetfire.net just search for mustang or corvette or whatever


Okay, I go to youtube normally. Thats where I watch top gear because In US we don't get BBC we get discovery which seems to show it like once a month!

[bullgatti]

pulled the front tires

http://videos.streetfire.net/recentvideos/1/1B924E88-A759-48AE-87AD-E9447AB7B3A0.htm

[anarchypro]

tonight is going to be awsome if we see one ricer do something stupid there car is gone

[Gamerkid360]

pulled the front tires

http://videos.streetfire.net/recentvideos/1/1B924E88-A759-48AE-87AD-E9447AB7B3A0.htm

Haha!

[Gamerkid360]

tonight is going to be awsome if we see one ricer do something stupid there car is gone


Whats tomorrow night?

[bullgatti]

tonight is going to be awsome if we see one ricer do something stupid there car is gone
you going to sebring today

[bullgatti]

how to drive a vette

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/1/4C139B57-CB70-4859-B550-63887803089C.htm

[Scotracer]

It just came to me, I don't know why it took me so long, but anyway. The reason cars in Japan aren't that powerful was, the fact that there was the "gentlemans agreement" that stated BHP couldn't exceed 276. That has subsequently been lifted, and power levels are beginning to rise. Just give it a couple of years and we will see what our Asian friends can do ;)

This agreement was not in force in the Uk, that is why the UK model Evos were all in excess of 300BHP, thanks to RalliArt.

[bullgatti]

It just came to me, I don't know why it took me so long, but anyway. The reason cars in Japan aren't that powerful was, the fact that there was the "gentlemans agreement" that stated BHP couldn't exceed 276. That has subsequently been lifted, and power levels are beginning to rise. Just give it a couple of years and we will see what our Asian friends can do ;)

This agreement was not in force in the Uk, that is why the UK model Evos were all in excess of 300BHP, thanks to RalliArt.

gentlemans agreement that is so funny

[rUnInWItHaGUN]

Ah yes Euro cars maybe good in the turns, but I don't care cause you probably can't afford one, or even drive one yet. When you turn 16 you are going to end up like all the other sorry High school kids with your honda civic. You're gonna put a wing and a fart pipe on it, and call it a race car. To only be dissapointed when all you see is mustang tail lights, or any other MUSCLE car. Don't you think they're called MUSCLE cars for a reason? [last sentence deleted]

You're pushing my buttons, Gun.

-G.

[Gamerkid360]

It just came to me, I don't know why it took me so long, but anyway. The reason cars in Japan aren't that powerful was, the fact that there was the "gentlemans agreement" that stated BHP couldn't exceed 276. That has subsequently been lifted, and power levels are beginning to rise. Just give it a couple of years and we will see what our Asian friends can do ;)

This agreement was not in force in the Uk, that is why the UK model Evos were all in excess of 300BHP, thanks to RalliArt.


Ooh thats why they arent as powerful

[anarchypro]

hey bull do you like my sig

[bullgatti]

am i the only one who saw the getawy in stockholm 5 rx7 overheating the entire time

[Gamerkid360]

Ah yes Euro cars maybe good in the turns, but I don't care cause you probably can't afford one, or even drive one yet. When you turn 16 you are going to end up like all the other sorry High school kids with your honda civic. You're gonna put a wing and a fart pipe on it, and call it a race car. To only be dissapointed when all you see is mustang tail lights, or any other MUSCLE car. Don't you think they're called MUSCLE cars for a reason? Oh, yeah and a word of advice for you Britts out there shut up and be a good lap dog. Do like your government and shut and listen to America.


Hey according to your flag you don't live in america!! :D

[bullgatti]

hey bull do you like my sig

yeah good one runinwithagun is derka

ya derka go in the profile settings and fix that

[Gamerkid360]

nice sig

[rUnInWItHaGUN]

america

[bullgatti]

still didnt fix it lol

go to user cp then edit profile

[Scotracer]

Ah yes Euro cars maybe good in the turns, but I don't care cause you probably can't afford one, or even drive one yet. When you turn 16 you are going to end up like all the other sorry High school kids with your honda civic. You're gonna put a wing and a fart pipe on it, and call it a race car. To only be dissapointed when all you see is mustang tail lights, or any other MUSCLE car. Don't you think they're called MUSCLE cars for a reason? Oh, yeah and a word of advice for you Britts out there shut up and be a good lap dog. Do like your government and shut and listen to America.

I don't care what your government thinks, I know pretty much every other countries cars are superior to Americas, in most ways.

I can't afford or drive one yet? Thats why I drive a Voltswagen Golf Mk IV GTI, sounds Japanese doesn't it? If you wouldn't be so stupid, and look at my profile its says I am 18, and know a **** load more about cars than pretty much everyone on this site. I pity you Americans thinking your cars are great, they just aren't. The engines are unrefined, underpowered (for there size) and just plain crap. As for quality, its laughable!

If you want any proof of what I just said, read any non-American automotive magazine, your cars get slated. I think the latest generation Viper was called "Rubbish" by many, and the C6 Vette was laughed at.

[Scotracer]

am i the only one who saw the getawy in stockholm 5 rx7 overheating the entire time

I don't know why Mazda insist on using the Wankel Rotary engine, its just not logical. Yes, for its size, it produces alot of power, but has to rev high and it uses alot of oil during operation. They are also prone to overheating. What is wrong with an inline 6 cylinder *drools a bit*, now thats an engine ( thinking of M3 CSL).

[bullgatti]

you still havent told me why the american v8 gto beats the gt3 and bmw in rolex cup

[Scotracer]

you still havent told me why the american v8 gto beats the gt3 in rolex cup

Well for a start it is not an American derived race car, its an Aussie. They are race cars, not road cars, and share very few similarities to the road counterparts. I am not saying a V8 can't handle, for some reason they choose not do develop suspension systems. Now for racing handling is key, that is where most of the development lies. The Holden Monaro is a great race car, it has been in development for a while now. The circuits that you are talking about will no doubt be street circuits, or oval derived ones. For these, handling isn't the key, as most corners are 90 degrees or fast, banked ones. If the Monaro/GTO was brought across to Europe, to a REAL racing circuit, the outcome would be reversed. Oh and one more thing, the Monaro conforms to different regs for racing, the power is signifcantly higher than that of the GT3-R, whilst the Porsche is lighter. This is invaluable on open circuits, which are predominately straight lines, with 90 degree turns.

[bullgatti]

Well for a start it is not an American derived race car, its an Aussie. They are race cars, not road cars, and share very few similarities to the road counterparts. I am not saying a V8 can't handle, for some reason they choose not do develop suspension systems. Now for racing handling is key, that is where most of the development lies. The Holden Monaro is a great race car, it has been in development for a while now. The circuits that you are talking about will no doubt be street circuits, or oval derived ones. For these, handling isn't the key, as most corners are 90 degrees or fast, banked ones. If the Monaro/GTO was brought across to Europe, to a REAL racing circuit, the outcome would be reversed. Oh and one more thing, the Monaro conforms to different regs for racing, the power is signifcantly higher than that of the GT3-R, whilst the Porsche is lighter. This is invaluable on open circuits, which are predominately straight lines, with 90 degree turns.

the monaro and gto are same body but totally different drivetrain and suspension

do you get rolex series in the uk?

[Ohira34]

If you guys are such car fanboys you should like all walks of cars and respect them for what they are... there is nothing more beautiful then a classic muscle car....and nothing more fun then driving a mountain road in a wrx....(excluding women) you've lost the point of the topic big time....yes the little ricers are annoying but no more annoying then the wannabe muscle car enthusiasts with their GTR emblems on their mustang GTs...its like saying modders on halo 2 are fun to play with and cool guys.

[bullgatti]

If you guys are such car fanboys you should like all walks of cars and respect them for what they are... there is nothing more beautiful then a classic muscle car....and nothing more fun then driving a mountain road in a wrx....(excluding women) you've lost the point of the topic big time....yes the little ricers are annoying but no more annoying then the wannabe muscle car enthusiasts with their GTR emblems on their mustang GTs...its like saying modders on halo 2 are fun to play with and cool guys.

gtr emblem on a mustang gt thats a ricer

[Scotracer]

the monaro and gto are same body but totally different drivetrain and suspension

do you get rolex series in the uk?

I am sure it will be the same race car, rebadged. Maybe the road car suspension and drivetrain are different, but I would doubt GM would develop two seperate race cars.

No we do not get The Rolex cup in the UK, but I am guessing it is similar to the British GT championship. There is a Monaro in it, but is getting crushed by the Ferrari 360 GTC's and the Porsche GT3-Rs, just because they are tighter courses, requiring less horsepower.

[bullgatti]

they have to develope different cars if it has a corvette drivetrain

[Scotracer]

Is the Pontiac GTO R, a 6 litre? I would have presumed it was the 5.7, which is in the Monaro. You got a link to the specs of the Pontiac? Well, anyway, the car has been in development for years, coming from the Australian V8 Supercars.

[bullgatti]

but if it has all american internals how is it compared to the monaro

only the 04 gto was 5.7 all new ones are 6.0

[bullgatti]

some stuff

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Pontiac-GTO-Grand-American-Series-Race-Car.htm

[Scotracer]

Yes the new road car is a 6 litre, but what you do not understand that there are certain rules before a car can be homologated for race use. I am unsure of these but the race car may have to remain a 5.7 litre. This is definetaly the case with the F430 GT, the road car has a 4.3 litre V8, whereas the race car has a 4.0 litre V8.

[Scotracer]

some stuff

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Pontiac-GTO-Grand-American-Series-Race-Car.htm

WTF! That is erm...some race car, a 6 litre V8 with 450BHP. LMAO. Anyway, that car conforms to different regulations from the Monaro, which races down under. The Monaro has 530+ BHP from the 5.7 litre. Oh well.

[rUnInWItHaGUN]

I don't care if you don't care what my government thinks, because you are just a voice, and meerly a number to your government. News flash they don't care what you think.
Why you cats over there in England don't make your cars faster is beyond me. Maybe it's becasue your country is [deleted arrogance]. Oh no I might get hurt if I try to go fast. I want to look good in my car, how ***.
I don't have a sound system because I rather here my V8, and I put all my money into speed and handeling.

... a lesson in civility may be required.
-G.

[bullgatti]

exactly there to afraid to run a v8 down a single lane country road thats what we do you ever here of moonshine thats how it was transported in big v8s on country roads if you can call dirt roads thats how nascar got started

[Scotracer]

I don't care if you don't care what my government thinks, because you are just a voice, and meerly a number to your government. News flash they don't care what you think.
Why you cats over there in England don't make your cars faster is beyond me. Maybe it's becasue your country is full of pussies. Oh no I might get hurt if I try to go fast. I want to look good in my car, how ***.
I don't have a sound system because I rather here my V8, and I put all my money into speed and handeling.

If you look at my flag, you will see I from Scotland. And as for British cars being slow.....a TVR would rip a Corvette to pieces. Simple. We know how to make superb cars; does Mclaren F1, TVR Cerbera Speed 12 or Aston Martin DB9 ring a bell? Your last line proves to me that you are an idiot and I am wasting my time replying to your moronic comments......"Put all our money into handling"?!?!?! You basically said in your last post that American cars don't handle, you fool. As for your statement about us being pussies, your national speed limit is 55 MPH, pathetic. I think it is becuase your cars can't handle speeds greater than that, aswell as the drivers.

I know more on the subject than you, so just be quiet little boy.

[bullgatti]

WTF! That is erm...some race car, a 6 litre V8 with 450BHP. LMAO. Anyway, that car conforms to different regulations from the Monaro, which races down under. The Monaro has 530+ BHP from the 5.7 litre. Oh well.

beats gt3 and bmw with that so i wouldnt say to much

[bullgatti]

If you look at my flag, you will see I from Scotland. And as for British cars being slow.....a TVR would rip a Corvette to pieces. Simple. We know how to make superb cars; does Mclaren F1, TVR Cerbera Speed 12 or Aston Martin DB9 ring a bell? Your last line proves to me that you are an idiot and I am wasting my time replying to your moronic comments......"Put all our money into handling"?!?!?! You basically said in your last post that American cars don't handle, you fool. As for your statement about us being pussies, your national speed limit is 55 MPH, pathetic. I think it is becuase your cars can't handle speeds greater than that, aswell as the drivers.

I know more on the subject than you, so just be quiet little boy.

you wish it was 55 its more like 90 but who listens to speed limits i have hit 120 in the goat

[rUnInWItHaGUN]

Yeah, and how can you make gerneralized statements about MUSCLE car performance if you don't have one, or probably even drove one. Where I live in UNITED STATES (ARIZONA) there is in fact a lot of twisty roads, and my car is built for road racing. You have the internet in front of you look up AZ we're surrounded by mountains, and mountains means badass roads. Yeah the Japs and the Euros may hang with me in the turns, but I've got a whole hell of a lot more in the straights then they do. Oh and it's not allways about hps what about torque??? The old big blocks usually have more torque than horsepower, and if you ever like to put the pedal to the floor torque is what makes it fun.