Well, I guess Blu-Ray will prevail

ravanah · 08-01-2008, 10:29 AM

Thanks for the quicknews concerning the HD-DVD downfall. With all these big companies siding now with Blue Ray , i think it's pretty clear that Blue Ray will prevail , which we should makes us all ask a few questions.

Q: Will this Hurt the 360 in terms of Sales ?
A: Hell no , as mentionned in a previous Podcast by our good friend Joel , people buy their consoles for the games. Even PS3 owners bought them for Grand Turismo , Metal Gear Solid and Gears of wars (Throw in Final fantasy in the mix).

Q: Is the 360 worst than PS3 ?
A: Haha you got to be kidding me ? Now i am no Sony or MS fanboy , i want the more for my bucks and sony's machine does not fit my perspective of "Good gaming platform" ... Hell , all the games i want to play are on both consoles like Orange box , COD 4 , AC , etc ...

So all in all , I hope no one is going to concentrate too much on this , even if the HD-DVD does bite the dust in the end .... We as Xbox 360 owners have an advantage over Sony -> MS gave the choice in owning a HD-DVD or Blue Ray and we saved a few hundread dollars because of that. Ill be able then to take that money and buy me a Blue Ray player once good movies start coming out in a few years . Ill stick to my Regular DVD at the moment.

08-01-2008, 11:51 AM

Yup HD-DVD is dead as a dodo.

oli · 08-01-2008, 11:51 AM

Well many would disagree with you on many of your points but anyway. You have to look at it in the way that the PS3 sales are most likely to rocket now Blu-Ray has basically won the format war as it is the cheapest player on the market and they are getting a GOOD system, In my opinion this will effect the 360's sales , I dont give a flying **** if you think it is a bad system , because the fact of the matter is that it is a respectable console ( I do not own a PS3 and I am big 360 fan). Also if you look at the PS3's line up for this year ( exclusive wise) it is better than the 360's by a mile. Dont get the impression that I am sticking up for the PS3 as if i love it , because really I dont but you say you are not a fanboy , yet you still say the PS3 is not a good gaming platform and that is plain narrow-minded.

Although I do agree with you about us kind of having an advantage over Sony in the fact we had a choice whether to have a HD-DVD player or a Blu-Ray player, that is one of the few things I really like about Microsofts system is that you have the choice in what you want to use your console for , many PS3 fanboys are saying ' Ohhh but we have our Wirless adapter already built in' yeah but funnily enough there is a market for people who only play offline etc.etc. But I think Sony's gamble in which not give people a choice with the Blu-Ray player could just work if Blu-Ray becomes the almighty format like the DVD and VHS are and were.

ravanah · 08-01-2008, 12:46 PM

I imagine it could be possible for the PS3 to reahc or surpass the Xbox eventually in the long run ... In like 2-3 years from now but by 2009-2010 , were gonna probably have the next consoles out.

I honestly don't think that PS3 will skyrocket as i do not know many people who want an BlueRay or HD-DVD player.

Unless you're a Hardcore movie fanatic , you're gonna stick with with your DVD's for a few years .

I just feel that all this hype on the Format wars was unecessary and generated more flaming material than needed.

i just pray for PS3 owners that Gran turismo/ and MGS 4 will come out without any delays.

Only time will tell but 1 thing is for sure ... The HD DVD is

ravanah · 08-01-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by oli

Well many would disagree with you on many of your points but anyway. You have to look at it in the way that the PS3 sales are most likely to rocket now Blu-Ray has basically won the format war as it is the cheapest player on the market and they are getting a GOOD system, In my opinion this will effect the 360's sales , I dont give a flying **** if you think it is a bad system , because the fact of the matter is that it is a respectable console ( I do not own a PS3 and I am big 360 fan). Also if you look at the PS3's line up for this year ( exclusive wise) it is better than the 360's by a mile. Dont get the impression that I am sticking up for the PS3 as if i love it , because really I dont but you say you are not a fanboy , yet you still say the PS3 is not a good gaming platform and that is plain narrow-minded.

Although I do agree with you about us kind of having an advantage over Sony in the fact we had a choice whether to have a HD-DVD player or a Blu-Ray player, that is one of the few things I really like about Microsofts system is that you have the choice in what you want to use your console for , many PS3 fanboys are saying ' Ohhh but we have our Wirless adapter already built in' yeah but funnily enough there is a market for people who only play offline etc.etc. But I think Sony's gamble in which not give people a choice with the Blu-Ray player could just work if Blu-Ray becomes the almighty format like the DVD and VHS are and were.

And also i wanted to ask , Did the PSX sales sky rocket because of the CD player feature it had ? does this mean that people will stop buying the WII since it does not have a Blue ray in it ?

Of course not , people bought the PSX for the games .... People buy the WII for the games .... People buy Xbox 360 for the games ..... People Buy PS3 for the name .... and a blueray lol ........... (Im just teasing ya lol)

Jacksmith28 · 08-01-2008, 01:15 PM

It's really disappointing. We all saw it coming but most of us had hope that HD-DVD would prevail

Spartan1127 · 08-01-2008, 02:12 PM

Is there exactly a huge difference between HD DVD and Blu-Ray in performance?

08-01-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan1127

Is there exactly a huge difference between HD DVD and Blu-Ray in performance?

HD-DVD is slightly slightly better. But its really what Telly and cable your using that makes the difference.

Jacksmith28 · 08-01-2008, 04:12 PM

Yeah, to the naked eye there really isn't a noticeable difference. Blu-Ray is just winning because everyone is siding with it. HD-DVD is cheaper too.

08-01-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shane32Eire

HD-DVD is slightly slightly better. But its really what Telly and cable your using that makes the difference.

No chance. Blu ray looks better out of my PS3 and a HD DVD add on for my 360 (which thankfully I didn't buy - just borrowed). Both hooked up to my 1080p TV and the blu ray looks that tiny bit better.

So who kept the receipt for that HD DVD add on?

Mick · 08-01-2008, 07:06 PM

Sony always prevails. Just a little late this time. I have a 360 only for games and Ihave a ps3 for a blue ray player, which by the way is the best looking blue ray player on the market. Unfortunately theres only about 2 good games but 2008 lineup deffinately goes to ps3. Xbox should hurry up and release gears of war 2 if they want to keep a close race. LOL. For now, better games on xbox 360. More potential and features with ps3. Just my 2 cents.

hollywood21639 · 08-01-2008, 09:36 PM

Sony always prevails? Obviously you do not remember the collossal failure that was Beta-Max. Sony lost millions when VHS killed it.

xgeorgex · 08-01-2008, 10:36 PM

hd dvd still can come back hopes not lost till paramount gos blue ray if it dus

HoraceTheGoatman · 08-01-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xgeorgex

hd dvd still can come back hopes not lost till paramount gos blue ray if it dus

I doubt they will make a comeback. It would take a miracle. If you combine all the releases from paramount and universal for 1 year it probably still doesnt equal the number of films Warner Bros. releases in a year. Thats just not enough to sustain HD DVD.

ravanah · 09-01-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mick

Sony always prevails. Just a little late this time. I have a 360 only for games and Ihave a ps3 for a blue ray player, which by the way is the best looking blue ray player on the market. Unfortunately theres only about 2 good games but 2008 lineup deffinately goes to ps3. Xbox should hurry up and release gears of war 2 if they want to keep a close race. LOL. For now, better games on xbox 360. More potential and features with ps3. Just my 2 cents.

I might buy a PS3 by the end of 2008 then if good games finally start coming out. lol

friedkarma · 09-01-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mick

Sony always prevails. Just a little late this time. I have a 360 only for games and Ihave a ps3 for a blue ray player, which by the way is the best looking blue ray player on the market. Unfortunately theres only about 2 good games but 2008 lineup deffinately goes to ps3. Xbox should hurry up and release gears of war 2 if they want to keep a close race. LOL. For now, better games on xbox 360. More potential and features with ps3. Just my 2 cents.

LOL. Besides the obvious flops (Betamax, UMD, Memory Sticks, Mini Disc, Multi Media Compact Disc, Super Audio CD) they have been run out of many businesses, including ones they used to dominate (portable music players, rear projection TV's). That's not exactly the definition of "prevailing".

2008 holds little for PS3's line up IMO. Most titles are "ify" for 2008 with release dates constantly being pushed back. Little Big Planet? Anyone that wants a title like this already owns a Wii. Home? Not interested. I'll take Xbox Live's simple, intuitive social networking interface. You have 2 solid contenders in 2008; GT5 and MGS. Everything else will be inferior cross-platform ports. The smart money is waiting until 2009 to get a PS3. By then there will be rumble motors in those crappy controllers, and we'll have another price drop.

I'm stuck with an all-but-unless VHS and DVD library. I don't buy movies anymore because I don't want to replace them every 6 to 8 years. Digital distribution is the wave of the future, not Blu-ray. Netflix and others will have set-top boxes this year and MS' IPTV is coming to fruition. Between my 360 and the cable company, I get all the HD movies I want. I'm not paying $500 for Betamax 2.0 then $30 for a copy of The Benchwarmers.

sprinc4 · 09-01-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by friedkarma

Digital distribution is the wave of the future, not Blu-ray.

Your Dam right!!

islandpopper · 14-01-2008, 03:13 PM

Well, the issue it's not what technology is better... never has been... (examples such as Neo Geo, Atari Lynx and Saturn abound)

Success historically has been a mixture of TIMING and GAMING... quality games is what wins people, 360 had an edge there... but as mentioned, that edge won't remain for long and 2008 will be a big year for PS3.

If a console gets hot, games will go there... TIMING is the tough issue here.

Blue Ray will win the DVD wars IMO... BUT and there's a BIG but in there... the question is how bright is the FUTURE of OPTICAL discs in general?

Remember the DAT?... it won the digital tape war over Philips DCC... yes... but it fizzled in the consumer market... tape, no matter how good, just wasn't as good as optical media.

As well as the MINIDISC did... it was a good product, succesful... but not on the CONSUMER MARKET.

Optical discs are on their way out... other type of technologies are getting cheaper, faster and more flexible than any optical media can be.

So, PS3 IMO has more future as a gaming console than BLUE RAY as an HD format on the long run... and HD DVD even less.

Kona Palangi · 14-01-2008, 04:59 PM

Digital Distribution is nothing new. This technological trend was brought to my attention seven years ago via a Mass Comm course I took for college. During that period PTP file sharing was proliferating quickly and the IRAA began cracking down not for ethical purposes but they foresaw yet another revenue stream which they wanted exclusively. Since that time, iTunes, Rhapsody, and a handful of other sites offer digital distribution of music all for a subscription based fee or charge by download. It is the music industry which has pressed this trend more than any other entertainment medium. Some have experimented but music made it an accepted form of purchasing data and in many ways normalized the process.

BD may win but how long might they bask in their glory? If DD is the future, which it is, their victory is rendered inconsequential. They will utilize it for alternative purposes but with how lazy civilized society has become, who the **** wants to go fight the traffic then battle cashiers at your local electronics store who are prime Pro-Active candidates just to purchase a $400 stand alone and a $30 BD movie? While all the emphasis was on BD and HD DVD, MS slowly and subtly compiled a vast and expansive library of television shows and movies. ****, even MGM, A SONY OWNED COMPANY, will be providing the VMP with content. There is a possibility that MS was not as vocal during this “war” as they could have been for the simple fact they were hedging their bets on DD. If this is the case and a matter which I believe to be true, Microsoft has a heads up and the vast majority of all their competitors looking to jump into the DD tech trend.

Also, the fallacious assertion that PS3 sales will increase because they are the lowest priced BD players on the market could not be more erroneous. Samsung offers a stand alone model, BD-P1400/X with an MSRP of $399.99. Even Sony has their BDP-S300 model going for the same price. Both models are the EXACT same price as the poor mans PS3. Many also forget that although the gaming industry continues to grow, we are still considered a small market so if stand alones continue to decrease in price what’s the incentive for a consumer to buy a PS3 if they have no desire or interest to play video games?

14-01-2008, 06:48 PM