Global Warming

[Eazy_D]

Calling your country "America" and those of you living in it "Americans" smacks of the most vile and despicable arrogance possible and a self-centeredness that is an underlying cause of the hatred that many of the people of the world have against your country. Bush's pathetic attempt to ascribe it to hatred of your way of life: is, in a way, true. It is not your freedoms-and-fancy-cars way of life but rather your invading, bombing and killing way of life that is the problem.

America is not one country but two continents, 39 countries and 850 million people. Yet the term has been usurped by your country in a way that exemplifies its treatment not only of the people of North and South America (look at your relationships with Canada and Mexico, for example) but of the world at large. The term's use betrays arrogance and a ruthless attitude that demands and extracts special privileges enforced through the use of brute military power to acquire and control the world's resources.

The term betrays an attitude that has rightly been labeled "the Ugly American." It is an attitude that began with the birth of your country as the first white settlers claimed manifest destiny as the basis for slaughtering the native peoples and stealing their lands. It is an attitude that justified kidnapping Africans from their homes and treating them as slaves to be bought and traded as personal property. It is an attitude that grew with the expansion of capitalism beyond these borders as country after country was invaded and their people were subjugated, slaughtered, or starved (the new fad). It is an attitude that says that all is fair in the pursuit of profit, especially when one has the military might to make it so.

That is what "America" means and it does not speak well for the future "America" as envisioned by Bush and Co. That vision includes never-ending war against the people of the world under the guise of fighting terrorism. I find it very hypocritical for the U.S. to claim to be fighting terror.

The Bush and Company's vision constitutes a future where freedom and civil rights are ground under the boot heel of Homeland Security. It is a future where critical thought and any criticism of the government are labeled traitorous and where patriotism is mindless allegiance to a flag and the nations "leaders." It is a future in which country after country and people after people are subsumed to the capital interests of the U.S. and in which the United States military machine reigns supreme, meting out its own brand of justice to those who refuse to go along.

It is a future that holds no future for the people of the world.

[Grindstone]

*SIGH*

WTF! Is there a problem with staying on the topic?

ANY POSTS THAT ARE NOT IN RELATION TO "GLOBAL WARNING" SHALL HENCEFORTH BE DELETED! IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER TOPIC TO ADDRESS, PLEASE MAKE A SPECIFIC THREAD FOR IT.

On topic:

Going back to page 2, Batman-2007 had a good point; there is nothing we can do to stop global warming. I read an article yesterday in Newsweek that said the damage already done will continue to effect the planet for the next several decades, even if we all went back to grass huts and farming right now. Nothing was stated about who's fault it was, as the glaciers have been melting since the last ice age and as you know, animals come and go (read: dinosaurs).

Adapt or die, that will be the credo in the future. And Polar bears may be at the top of that "to-do" list, regardless of fault.

[360rulz]

it's alot warmer here than last year. in fact its about 50-60 degrees(F) warmer than it was this time last year, but chicago is having colder than normal temperatures, so no it's not global

[Kona Palangi]

Originally Posted by Eazy_D

I'm not trying to be smart it comes naturally.

HAHAHAHAHA

[Kona Palangi]

Where I live we have had one of the coldest winters in the past few decades ... Makes you wonder.

Originally Posted by Eazy_D

but rather your invading, bombing and killing way of life that is the problem.

Once again perpetuating negative connotations associated with Americans in general. We, as civilians, do not bomb and invade countries. Generalization is not an effective means for debate as it only equates to misconjecture. Use caution when including words such as “you” and “your” especially if the intent is ambiguity. Otherwise you make yourself out to be an ass.

Originally Posted by Eazy_D

settlers claimed manifest destiny as the basis for slaughtering the native peoples and stealing their lands.

Yes, it was America who incepted such barbaric acts to claim land and resources. Caligula or Ghengis Khan anyone? Napoleon, Pol Pot, Che Guevara, and Hitler? Oh yeah, they never slaughtered thousands for land, resources, or political gain.

Originally Posted by Eazy_D

“That vision includes never-ending war against the people of the world under the guise of fighting terrorism”

You have zero legitimacy nor substantiated evidence to back up such an audacious accusation. I’m curious as to know how you would react when Boeing airliners explode in two of your cities largest buildings killing 3,000 with more dying from hazardous related emphysema while attempting to rescuing survivors. How about one of you naval boats being bombed or better yet a few of your own embassies set to flame? Yes, it may not have been your fault those events occurred just as millions had no involvement in the terrorist attacks inflicted upon the US.

Originally Posted by Eazy_D

“It is a future where critical thought and any criticism of the government are labeled traitorous”

HAHAHAHA. Have you read the New York Times Lately? How about the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, or San Francisco Chronicle. Before declaring such inept remarks educate yourself rather than indoctrinate yourself. Freedom of Speech anyone?

Is so easy to talk **** from across the pond Easy, so simple to formulate fallacious opinions without merit, experience, or understanding. I refuse to judge people based on their country of residence so I will spare any derogatory insult to your own country or any others. Many times I have seen you repeatedly engage in anti-American rhetoric but gave you a pass understanding your ostentatious disposition. I have grown tired of your dogmatic soliloquies and still wonder why you talk so much ****. This is a global warming thread not a bash the United States of America thread. Either close it or start talking about global warming.

[remixFA]

Originally Posted by Grindstone

*SIGH*

WTF! Is there a problem with staying on the topic?

ANY POSTS THAT ARE NOT IN RELATION TO "GLOBAL WARNING" SHALL HENCEFORTH BE DELETED! IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER TOPIC TO ADDRESS, PLEASE MAKE A SPECIFIC THREAD FOR IT.

On topic:

Going back to page 2, Batman-2007 had a good point; there is nothing we can do to stop global warming. I read an article yesterday in Newsweek that said the damage already done will continue to effect the planet for the next several decades, even if we all went back to grass huts and farming right now. Nothing was stated about who's fault it was, as the glaciers have been melting since the last ice age and as you know, animals come and go (read: dinosaurs).

Adapt or die, that will be the credo in the future. And Polar bears may be at the top of that "to-do" list, regardless of fault.

apparently, that ment my post. IT WAS A GOOD POST. well, to keep everyone from going after easy, u might want to remove his last post up there too, or it will just keep going.

There is still no proof of global warming. I have heard everything from global warming will turn everything to desert in the next 50 yrs, to because of global warming our winters will be colder!! The libbys sure are covering all thier bases with this try at creating mass hysteria. Polar bears are not in any real trouble. People take things out of context to suit thier purposes. Polar bears are really slow to breed and grow, much like the panda bear. They are much less hunted than the panda though. They are also very hearty and resiliant animals.
The temps are not up 50 degrees. I live in fl, and its like 20 degrees out tonight. Infact i believe its a record low. Good thing global warming makes things colder too!

In fact, polution is more dense than the ozone that protects us. As polution goes up in the air, it would reflect more light back out of the atmosphere, along w/ the infrared that warms us. It would make us go back into an iceage, not turn us to a desert planet. We would not die though. We would be able to manufacture enough false light with IR that we could still sustain ourselves. We have more than enough food stores to hold us through until that happends. Would everything survive? no, but we and our food sources would! Besides, the earth has its own way of clensing itself. No human activity can match the polluting power of a volcano going off. Those have been going off like nuts for billions of years, only settling recently. Yet the earth isnt a black ball of silt, is it? The earth can clean itself from this, which can destroy thousands if not millions of lives in an instant and cover the skys for years... yet, it finds a way. Humans shouldnt hold themselves so high as to think they can outpollut the world.

[Eazy_D]

Originally Posted by remixFA

well, to keep everyone from going after easy, u might want to remove his last post up there too, or it will just keep going.

*pfft* bring it on! I've got a suprise for ya! lol Its too early to pop it on ya yet. Tempting but too early.

[Eazy_D]

Originally Posted by MalohiTafataha

Yes, it was America who incepted such barbaric acts to claim land and resources. Caligula or Ghengis Khan anyone? Napoleon, Pol Pot, Che Guevara, and Hitler? Oh yeah, they never slaughtered thousands for land, resources, or political gain.

Hmmm I find it amazing that you defend American actions by putting it in the same catagory as those monsters.

Originally Posted by MalohiTafataha

Once again perpetuating negative connotations associated with Americans in general. We, as civilians, do not bomb and invade countries. Generalization is not an effective means for debate as it only equates to misconjecture. Use caution when including words such as “you” and “your” especially if the intent is ambiguity. Otherwise you make yourself out to be an ass.

You as an American people are responsible for all the bombings and killings on a personal level when you vote for a war monger for another term in office. You are living in denial of all the pain and suffering your contry has and is causing in the world, all in the pursuit of globalisation you are as incidious now as you were when you butchered the native americans.

Originally Posted by MalohiTafataha

You have zero legitimacy nor substantiated evidence to back up such an audacious accusation. I’m curious as to know how you would react when Boeing airliners explode in two of your cities largest buildings killing 3,000 with more dying from hazardous related emphysema while attempting to rescuing survivors. How about one of you naval boats being bombed or better yet a few of your own embassies set to flame? Yes, it may not have been your fault those events occurred just as millions had no involvement in the terrorist attacks inflicted upon the US.

Is that some kind of sick joke? The American government has influenced the deaths of so many! I have watched America attack, destroy, impose embargoes against other nations and then conquer their lands, imprison their people and generally deal with them as though they were savage animals whereby every single law be it international or even American is totally disregarded when it concerns the rights of Arab and Muslim individuals. Then they ask why does the world hate them? Tell me why do you hate Muslims? What terrible crime have the Muslims committed against you in the past to deserve your interminable enmity? What have they done to see you rampage through their lands destroying and killing, then claiming obscenely that it was worth it for the sake of liberty and democracy?

Is it worth it for the million and a half Iraqis murdered in the embargo or the thousands of Afghans killed by your ever so “smart” bombs? Or should we ask the Iraqis of today, whom you’ve killed by the thousands? Was all this death and destruction worth it for them? Did you ever bother to ask their opinion before you played God with the lives and destinies of their nation?

Finally, you take aim at their religion by humiliating their beliefs. You abuse their book, use their convictions to torture them and degrade them, disregarding your own laws and religion which is as noble as theirs and to which torture and humiliation is anathema.

What were you thinking when you threw the Qur’an in the toilet or when you used religion as a means of torture? I fail to see the efficacy of such actions in the so-called war on terror. These methods only point to a deep sickness in your society to which it will take decades for the rest of the world to understand its cause and to measure its destructive results. No, the question which someday will have to be answered is why, why do you the Americans feel so hard done by considering the suffering you cause?

For decades you have been supplying Israel with weapons and training to keep a foothold in the middle east. Partly due to the cold war and Israels proximity to Russia. How many palestinians have died by american supplied munitions?

9/11 was tragic but you must account for your own actions. Not once have I seen an American hold up thier hand and take some degree of accountability!

[Camaroguy579]

THIS JUST IN. Al Gore is stepping into his C02 making jet airplane. He is on his way to Florida to tell the Americans to stop using SUV's because they use too much gas.

[remixFA]

actually, wouldnt it be Co1? carbon MON oxide, not carbon DIoxide when we exale, we exale carbon dioxide. fossil fuels give off carbon monoxide

[remixFA]

Originally Posted by Eazy_D

Hmmm I find it amazing that you defend American actions by putting it in the same catagory as those monsters.



You as an American people are responsible for all the bombings and killings on a personal level when you vote for a war monger for another term in office. You are living in denial of all the pain and suffering your contry has and is causing in the world, all in the pursuit of globalisation you are as incidious now as you were when you butchered the native americans.



Is that some kind of sick joke? The American government has influenced the deaths of so many! I have watched America attack, destroy, impose embargoes against other nations and then conquer their lands, imprison their people and generally deal with them as though they were savage animals whereby every single law be it international or even American is totally disregarded when it concerns the rights of Arab and Muslim individuals. Then they ask why does the world hate them? Tell me why do you hate Muslims? What terrible crime have the Muslims committed against you in the past to deserve your interminable enmity? What have they done to see you rampage through their lands destroying and killing, then claiming obscenely that it was worth it for the sake of liberty and democracy?

Is it worth it for the million and a half Iraqis murdered in the embargo or the thousands of Afghans killed by your ever so “smart” bombs? Or should we ask the Iraqis of today, whom you’ve killed by the thousands? Was all this death and destruction worth it for them? Did you ever bother to ask their opinion before you played God with the lives and destinies of their nation?

Finally, you take aim at their religion by humiliating their beliefs. You abuse their book, use their convictions to torture them and degrade them, disregarding your own laws and religion which is as noble as theirs and to which torture and humiliation is anathema.

What were you thinking when you threw the Qur’an in the toilet or when you used religion as a means of torture? I fail to see the efficacy of such actions in the so-called war on terror. These methods only point to a deep sickness in your society to which it will take decades for the rest of the world to understand its cause and to measure its destructive results. No, the question which someday will have to be answered is why, why do you the Americans feel so hard done by considering the suffering you cause?

For decades you have been supplying Israel with weapons and training to keep a foothold in the middle east. Partly due to the cold war and Israels proximity to Russia. How many palestinians have died by american supplied munitions?

9/11 was tragic but you must account for your own actions. Not once have I seen an American hold up thier hand and take some degree of accountability!

heres a point for ya easy... shaddup, noone wants to hear your lunatic off base rhetoric anymore.
when your country doesnt have a history of violence, expansion by gunpoint, torture, rape, murder, pillaging, and genocide, then come talk to americans about their country. we look like saints by comparison.
your brittish right? you have made sure we all know the differences between english, irish,welsh,scottish, and brittish before... so shaddup... britts are just as much to blame for world stance as anyone else.

Originally Posted by remixFA

your brittish right? you have made sure we all know the differences between english, irish,welsh,scottish, and brittish before... so shaddup... britts are just as much to blame for world stance as anyone else.

I hope your not saying the Irish are british again! ill lose the plot if you are!

Let me explain:
Britian/UnitedKingdom is made up of 4 countries, Wales,Scotland,England and Northern Ireland(even though i dont agree on N.ireland bit as it should be part of ireland but nevermind that).

Ok? so being welsh or scottish or english IS THE SAME as being British theres no difference its the same bloody thing.

And Ireland/the Irish I REPEAT are nothing to do with Britian its a different country and culture that has a dirty past with the UK(thats britian) so dont lump them together as its very ignorant and annoying.

[360rulz]

Originally Posted by Eazy_D

Is it worth it for the million and a half Iraqis murdered in the embargo or the thousands of Afghans killed by your ever so “smart” bombs? Or should we ask the Iraqis of today, whom you’ve killed by the thousands? Was all this death and destruction worth it for them? Did you ever bother to ask their opinion before you played God with the lives and destinies of their nation?

Finally, you take aim at their religion by humiliating their beliefs. You abuse their book, use their convictions to torture them and degrade them, disregarding your own laws and religion which is as noble as theirs and to which torture and humiliation is anathema.

What were you thinking when you threw the Qur’an in the toilet or when you used religion as a means of torture? I fail to see the efficacy of such actions in the so-called war on terror. These methods only point to a deep sickness in your society to which it will take decades for the rest of the world to understand its cause and to measure its destructive results. No, the question which someday will have to be answered is why, why do you the Americans feel so hard done by considering the suffering you cause?

eazy get your head out of your ass. saddam was killing his people just like hitler, America(America is short for The United States of America, if you're talking about the continents it is THE Americas) went in, dethroned him, and is trying to provide some stability for the country


the torturing was only a few soldiers(who were severely penalized) to a few prisoners, so dont sit there and pull that "you" bull**** out you ****ing retard

[Camaroguy579]

Wow, I was under the impression that this thread was about Global Warming, not british and not british.

[Mik]

After repeatedly seeing posts saying Global Warming isn't happening because it isn't hotter:
GLOBAL WARMING does not necessarily mean that everywhere around the world is going to be hotter. It is a bad name. All it means is that we're going through a general climate change around the world. Many places are warmer though, namely the Arctic. Some places are colder, some will become wetter, some drier, it's just climate changes.

Also, yes it's true that America is two continents, but only in Mexico have I ever heard somebody not call me an American or my first name. Nobody says something along the lines of how I'm from the United States, they say, "AMERICAN".

[Camaroguy579]

Again, it is a natural thing that the earth goes through all the time. In the 70's it was global cooling, and now its the anti-capitalist global warming trying to blame humans on its happenings.