Mods on PX360

Fair on Unfair?

I would just like to know what the general view of members opinions are on them, if 99% of members think they are doing a great job then that will have to shut people like me and alex up, so its not that Im out to flame the mods and get myself banned, I just thought we should have a discussion. A forum is made up of the members in it, not just the mods.

Personally the way I see it, a certain pair of mods are trying to suck the life out of the forums, by nitpicking the immature comments and arguements that make this site a bit of craic. If they have thier way the only 'New Posts' on this forum will be infraction threads.

The amount of regular long-time members has dropped big time the last year, and it really does seem that apart from green names theres not a huge amount of activity in the ShoutBox or forums. Im sure some will say this is a good thing but it turns into a very lame site when all it is, is mods.

I think some mods get bored and decided to amuse themselves by messing with the banning system and if their in a akward mood, they would be happy to ban half the site that dont agree with them. All mods should do is delete spam(which I might add, there is alot of spam threads that remain open for hours, and theres not a mod in sight. then of course they ALL hop on the forum at the same time for a bit of banter and leave, not really doing anything for the forum).

Im aware of the amount of work some of the mods and writers but into the Reviews/Previews and PodCasts and fair play to them for that, but on the whole I think there are to many Mods that act like members(joking about, slagging each other ect.) but then when something comes up they dont like the topic off, they go very modlike and preachy and start handing out warnings.

If mods want to have a god complex and start acting like its a prison forum, then they have to pick to be professional in there actions all the time, not when it suits.

Gee is a perfect example of a mod, he deletes threads and posts when someone is asking a question or such, he doesnt get involved in the petty stuff that goes on, and just gets on with his job.

Rant over
(And if i get a infraction, or this thread is deleted or closed then I think it sums up exactly what Im getting at)

[Pepper Jack]

i'm a bit busy at the moment playing xbox with my flatmate but i'll definately post a reply later tonight

[bevo1981]

oh boy. the floodgates are open now. this thread should instead be titled "when posters attack"

Originally Posted by bevo1981

oh boy. the floodgates are open now. this thread should instead be titled "when posters attack"

No, i want this thread to stay open so theres no cursing or abuse in it, thats my first post on this site without a word filtered out. thats gota be something lol

[friedkarma]

In the mods defense, they have responded to comments to issues like this by making public what the rules and infractions are. Everything is out in the open and above board. This type of feedback makes them accountable to the community and shows their sincere desire to uniformly apply the terms and conditions of this site to all members.

Originally Posted by Pepper Jack

0/10 and yes, power tripping ***gots strike again

Originally Posted by Pepper Jack

why am i not surprised that charles jumps in as scotts backup, i guess when you're connected by the penis you have little choice

Originally Posted by Pepper Jack

how dare you ruin the whole sites fun? do you not know about elder being the site paedophile?!

Originally Posted by shane32Eire

That and they're all power trip losers

Originally Posted by shane32Eire

You back that statement up with such concise facts and statements i gota beleive ya, and i didnt wank yesterday was to warm,just had some waven pap last night thanks for asking. Im sure you enjoyed your porn and tears of lonelyness you fat scottish gobsheen. Take a picture of the sound stephen.

...and all this is only over the past few days.

The word 'leinancy' is a bit of an understatement here.

[Pepper Jack]

so you can have a pic of elder in your avatar and take the piss outta him in the podcast, but i take the piss and it's different, if you want all the members to be boring and never have a laugh then you're not setting a very good example. this whole 1 rule for you and one rule for us is getting old fast

I'm not taking the piss out of elder, I happen to think hes a legend. I wouldn't have cut my hair like that. I also praised him in the podcast if you'd care to listen.

However you, shane and oli keep calling him a kiddy fiddler which is seriously uncalled for.

[Pepper Jack]

yet when there is an avatar depicting my mum as a fat ***** that's funny charles? you laugh at that and make an issue out of us taking the piss out of elder. just goes to show how the mods here don't do their jobs, they just do what they want based on their personal opinions

How does quotes from my posts explain ot excuse the actions of mods on the whole, you want me to stop being abusive to a member then so be it, has nothing to do with what I said about the mods, Im not the one on trial charles.

[friedkarma]

For what its worth I'm LMAO because "piss" means something totally different to half the site members. Maybe you guys need to chill and find a "***" to suck on LOL.

Alex: you dish out insults to everyone and then cry when the tables are turned on you.

Shane: you make a career of insulting people on the forums.

Ask anybody on the forums and they will mirror what I just said. Especially people like Elder and xxxrpggamemanxxx.

I do like the pair of you, but you both make my role harder than it should be.

Oh and the thread title should have been 'Scott and Charles', not mods on px360.

[Pepper Jack]

Originally Posted by Sir Charles

Alex: you dish out insults to everyone and then cry when the tables are turned on you.

untrue, people slag me off all the time and it doesn't bother me, it's all banter and it helps keep the community together, all the people that i slag are not people that i don't like, they are all on my xbox live, msn etc. the only time i've complained about a comment made about me was a racist one, so sue me. as for bevos avatar, i don't give a **** about it, i actually think it's funny but i have to use it as an example because i'm being warned for things that are much less insulting/offensive than that. do i think bevo should be warned? no, but neither should i have been...THAT'S my point

I wasn't the one that warned you and the reasoning behind it was personal to that individual. Its down to each moderator's discretion at the end of the day and if you dont like it - tuff luck.

I was just giving examples of things the mods have left go without punishment.

[Scotracer]

This is the only post I will make in this subject because it is, quite frankly just a hate thread by members of the community who do not want the rules to be followed.

Illegal Subjects

Subjects include, but are not limited to: Warez/pirating (this includes mod chips and bypassing security), hacking, drugs, pornography, and provoking racism. If you make posts regarding anything illegal you might receive a warning, but will otherwise be banned from the forums.

Anyone with any right mind would put bigotry into this section...and yet, the members of staff have put a blind eye to it. Examples can be found if you search the SB archive or by looking at Sir Charles' initial post in this thread.

Respect

Respect every member of the forums as you would a friend or family member. Abusing another member, vulgar language and any other behavior considered disrespectful will be looked over by the mods and dealt with appropriately.

We encourage all console users to visit the forums and make posts, and indeed hope that some healthy debate ensues - however there is a line between friendly debate and abuse - please stay on the right side of it.

This is related to the first one. As an example, a certain member posted something irrelevant that comes under this banner and was dealt with, very leniently yet abuse was still given to that staff member.

Flaming

Excessive flaming is not tolerated. We realize that during a healthy debate, some flaming will inevitably occur - we do not mind this as long as it is kept to a minimum. Posts directed solely at flaming or insulting another member will be deleted.

The members of staff rarely ever delete flaming posts, out of keeping the banter alive on the forums.

http://forums.planetxbox360.com/xbox...rum-rules.html

If anything, I have proved that the moderators are more than fair on this site as the forum rules are broken on a daily basis.

Now, I want to bring attention to something which I believe will be pertinent to this subject:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2...isgracecr9.jpg

This was because of a one hour ban due to continued spamming of the shoutbox (after being told to stop by three moderators). Bigotry towards any member will not be tolerated and the fact that no action was taken due to this should be testament to the leniency here at PX360. Believe me, on any other forum, this would have been dealt with, with great severity.The defense rests, your honour.

[Pepper Jack]

scott if that's how you want to play, putting up images of me sending you messages like that on XBL then i'll just put up a screenshot of where you called me a "****ing coon" on msn earlier today

[Scotracer]

Originally Posted by Pepper Jack

scott if that's how you want to play, putting up images of me sending you messages like that on XBL then i'll just put up a screenshot of where you called me a "****ing coon" on msn earlier today

Oh and how about the 40-odd times you've called me a f***ot on this site, let alone a MSN conversation that has nothing to do with the site when that Live message most certainly did. Don't you start that crap...I called you that word once to show how bad you are at taking any abuse at all. You can hand it out without any concern but you cannot take any critisism, whatsoever. Ask any member, and I mean any that has spent even 5 minutes in the shoutbox with you and they will agree. The problem here is not the mods, it's the skewed perception of certain members. As we have shown, the mods are more than above board and for whatever reason, an infractions forum (which is actually what you have asked for since you claim we ban for not reason) was taken negatively by a few certain members.

This thread is nothing more than a hate spiel.

[axeman2008]

Im sensing a lot of tension here, wtf is it all about? Can't you all get along without bitching?

[Blasterpez]

i feel out of sorts posting here, as i am not close with many people here, the way you all seem to be close with each other, but i kinda wanted to:

just a couple things: mods should be able to post and banter with anyone on the site. they are part of this community, as shane said, and that is what keeps things interesting. so not allowing them to participate in banter or discussions wouldn't make much sense, and might have an adverse affect on us general populace people. I think you should be friends, or at least friendly, with the people you manage/oversee, and have input in, and have concern, about their lives.

however, since they are managers, basically, the rules enforcement, though it is at the discretion of each mod, should be consistent in how punishments or warnings are handed out. as managers/leaders, they do need to keep in mind, they should be the model citizens, if you will, in what, and how, they say things and interact with everyone.

they should be held to a higher standard, as leaders are and should be, as far as what they say, but we need to have the grace to accept that they are human as well, and can make mistakes. if they are crucified every time they want to participate in some banter or discussion, it just hurts the community as a whole.

and let's not forget, when you sign up to these forums, you do accept and subject yourself to the rules posted. and as charles has said, its up to discretion of each mod, maybe some rule should have definite punishments, or warnings, and no discretion should be entertained; like hateful racist statements, or something. (kind of like judges here in the US, more and more of them have less discretion on what sentences criminals get, they are forced to give x amount of years to x amount of years...)

Personally, i come here to banter and have fun and, usually, post something stupid, cause it's kind of fun. But it comes down to me to determine if i am attempting to maliciously insult someone or offend them, or if i am just trying to have fun. i don't always know how someone will take a post, however, even if i am being playful. and that is where it is tough for a mod, i think. they have to determine if the post was meant to be harmful or it was light hearted and taken wrong.

[bevo1981]

i know i'm a noob here, but here are some observations i've made of how things are run and people's perception of this site:

most of the posters on here gather like they would in a bar/pub or at a friend's house. friends abuse each other all the time and call each other all kinds of foul names out of fun. so that is what some posters are looking for when they come on here. and these warnings are like an older brother coming into the room and telling you to stop calling each other [whatever] or he's gonna make you sit in a corner for a few minutes.

and the mods are looking at these forums as though people would gather at a rec center that is open to senior citizens and children as well. so with the kind of language that gets thrown around, it turns off anybody who is not in the 15-40 year old abuse crowd mentioned above. so these warnings are their way of saying "guys there are old people and kids that can hear you".

here's where i side with Shane's and PJ's argument. the mods' warnings seem to be a bit random. while the mods say that have been extremely lenient, maybe that's the problem because it looks like they let people get away with everything and then one day say that none of it is allowed. it can look hypocritical. it's like a parent who allows cursing in the house every day, and then out of the blue one day, starts giving punishment for cursing. so maybe being so lenient has been the problem, or they should have issued a formal warning to ALL posters that from now on, they are going to start cracking down BEFORE they started singling out individuals.

and here's where i see the mods' POV. they let so much go to keep the site as entertaining as possible, and then when people start to get out of hand, the posters can't take the extremely small punishment given to them and act out like spoiled children. the mods have a duty to keep the forums and threads viewable to Mommy Dearest and Grandpa Abraham and Tiny Tim and that is what they are trying to do.

i understand that some posters need to vent about what has happened recently and maybe that is just what this is. but it seems like the mods are just asking us to tone it down a notch. cut down on the vulgarity and personal attacks a smidge. seems reasonable. but like i mentioned above, i think it would have been much better handled if the mods had issued a statement to everyone BEFORE punishing individuals that they needed to crack down because things are getting out of hand. especially since the mods allowed almost anything to go before this point.

hate to be a fence stradler, but both sides have good points here.