How to be a BILLIONAIR.

[Blasterpez]

Originally Posted by Scotracer

In a democratic society (well, even though the USA isn't a democracy, it's a Republic) there's no such thing as an unfair profit.



Blame the governments, not the oil companies.

It's a democratic republic. we get to vote for the lesser of 2 evils to represent us in the capitol. I don't think in a straight up republic you get to vote for your rep.

But really, what is driving the price? Is it demand, is there a shortage? Everyone was blaming the war in iraq for the prices when it first started, but the country, or the oilfields there, are mostly under control, but prices continue to go up. They have gone up here about 60 cents a gallon in the last month or so.

[Spartan1127]

Originally Posted by Blasterpez

It's a democratic republic. we get to vote for the lesser of 2 evils to represent us in the capitol. I don't think in a straight up republic you get to vote for your rep.

But really, what is driving the price? Is it demand, is there a shortage? Everyone was blaming the war in iraq for the prices when it first started, but the country, or the oilfields there, are mostly under control, but prices continue to go up. They have gone up here about 60 cents a gallon in the last month or so.

It's the shortage and the demand that's driving it up I believe. More people are coming onto this earth, and each one demands energy, thus using it up quicker.

[Scotracer]

Originally Posted by Blasterpez

It's a democratic republic. we get to vote for the lesser of 2 evils to represent us in the capitol. I don't think in a straight up republic you get to vote for your rep.

But really, what is driving the price? Is it demand, is there a shortage? Everyone was blaming the war in iraq for the prices when it first started, but the country, or the oilfields there, are mostly under control, but prices continue to go up. They have gone up here about 60 cents a gallon in the last month or so.

Ah, okay...thanks for the correction.

The price is the lack of stockpiles. It's a stockpiling of fuel that allows oil prices to drop but with all the recent conflicts there just haven't been the opportunity to allow for this. Another issue with that is, now that demand is ever increasing, output will have to be even higher to overcome this.

[friedkarma]

Its a supply and demand issue. Like any free market it will self-correct until the government steps in and ****s it up.

Don't like the price? Vote for leadership that will let us harvest our own resources. Clinton vetoed drilling in a relatively small area of ANWR Alaska. His reasoning? It will take 10 years before the oil will hit the market. That was about 14 years ago BTW.

Congress keeps blocking oil exploration of the continental shelf, meanwhile the Chinese are drilling 56 miles off the Florida Keys.

Kick the people out of office that have prevented us from drilling for our own resources and have stopped us from building a new refinery in over 30 years.

[vote4fairtax]

shane, u got on the defencive quick.. you must feel that you dont work for a living..

must be nice!

and BEVO, we are NOT a DEMOCRACY in any form.
We are a Representative REPUBLIC.
republic = rule of law
democracy = rule of the majority.

If hillary or obama get elected we will quickly turn into a representative fascist republic

fascist = private ownership, government run enterprize

which is exactly what they have in mind to destroy health care and many other industrys.

this is a topic for another time perhaps.

[Blasterpez]

Originally Posted by vote4fairtax

shane, u got on the defencive quick.. you must feel that you dont work for a living..

must be nice!

and BEVO, we are NOT a DEMOCRACY in any form.
We are a Representative REPUBLIC.
republic = rule of law
democracy = rule of the majority.

If hillary or obama get elected we will quickly turn into a representative fascist republic

fascist = private ownership, government run enterprize

which is exactly what they have in mind to destroy health care and many other industrys.

this is a topic for another time perhaps.

Whoever wins the next presidential election, the country loses. unless you're a commie or a marxist. then, maybe you'll feel like a winner.

Oh baby, ANWR! People that oppose researching that have no idea how big that chunk of land is...they are just so certain it will effect some stupid caribou herds (which aren't effected by any of the other drill sites OR the pipeline). It needs to be opened. The government needs to get its head out of its ass.

you could try to vote those people out, but the only people who stand to change anything for the better never make it past the primaries. the republican party (the supposed conservative party) is what the democrats were 10 years ago (and they were liberal then), meanwhile, the dems have moved on towards something way more extreme. It's basically a 2 party system (yes, they have the green, commie, libertarian, etc... but they are jokes), which has some advantages, but lately, there isn't anything really good coming out of them, which means we won't see any changes. sad state of affairs.

[vote4fairtax]

Originally Posted by Blasterpez

Whoever wins the next presidential election, the country loses. unless you're a commie or a marxist. then, maybe you'll feel like a winner.

Oh baby, ANWR! People that oppose researching that have no idea how big that chunk of land is...they are just so certain it will effect some stupid caribou herds (which aren't effected by any of the other drill sites OR the pipeline). It needs to be opened. The government needs to get its head out of its ass.

you could try to vote those people out, but the only people who stand to change anything for the better never make it past the primaries. the republican party (the supposed conservative party) is what the democrats were 10 years ago (and they were liberal then), meanwhile, the dems have moved on towards something way more extreme. It's basically a 2 party system (yes, they have the green, commie, libertarian, etc... but they are jokes), which has some advantages, but lately, there isn't anything really good coming out of them, which means we won't see any changes. sad state of affairs.

in truth id say that it was more of a 1 party system, with the republicans blending themselves into democrat lines, pretending that they might get a few more minority votes that way. There really only seems to be Crackheaded crazy liberal (obama's peeps), extremely liberal (hillary's peeps), liberals posing as republicans (mccains peeps).... and the extreme concervative right.

as far as congress goes, i dont even think the "middle" exists anymore, your either very left or 80%left or very right. no common sence at all..

[friedkarma]

Originally Posted by Blasterpez

Oh baby, ANWR! People that oppose researching that have no idea how big that chunk of land is...they are just so certain it will effect some stupid caribou herds (which aren't effected by any of the other drill sites OR the pipeline). It needs to be opened. The government needs to get its head out of its ass.

19,000,000 acres to be exact, and of that 17,500,000 acres would be totally off limits. Only the coastal area would be open for drilling...a featureless coastal plain! The left loves to show pictures of the elk and **** in the mountains, but that is entirely misleading.

[IIJoshIII]

Viva la Revolucion! I'm torching the **** out of all the gas stations! Who's with me!?!?!?

[Blasterpez]

We should all ride moto psychos. get like 40 miles to the gallon, or more. i wanted to get a bike this summer, but i don't think its gonna happen.

[rabbitc]

Anyone for Tennis?

[bevo1981]

strange how this turned into a debate about political parties.
vote4fairtax - i respect your opinion but find it a little pessimistic.

something that makes the search for oil alternatives even tougher is the fact that there is not ONE single thing we can turn to. we have wind, solar, hydro, fuel from crops, hydrogen fusion, fuel from algae(this one is really interesting), etc. but none of these things can solely replace oil, at least not in the near future. we've already learned that we can't depend on ethanol nearly as much as we originally thought. ethanol is actually turning out to be a bad idea. and there is only so much energy we've been able to derive from hydro and wind. i think solar energy has the most potential that we've hardly tapped into so far.

it will be interesting to see what we will be able to do with hydrogen fusion. remember the movies Chain Reaction and The Saint back in the 90's? it would be cool if we just unlocked this type of energy that gave cheap and everlasting energy to the world like a fairytale ending without all the global economies crashing.

Originally Posted by vote4fairtax

shane, u got on the defencive quick.. you must feel that you dont work for a living..

must be nice!

How does that even make sense?
I was just messing with karma, ergo why I called him donald trump. And karma knows better then to lump me in with them bum students scott and alex and nufan.

but regardless that still doesnt make sense lol.

[friedkarma]

Originally Posted by shane32Eire

And karma knows better then to lump me in with them bum students scott and alex and nufan.

You're in a class by yourself Shane *cough cough*

[vote4fairtax]

Originally Posted by bevo1981

strange how this turned into a debate about political parties.
vote4fairtax - i respect your opinion but find it a little pessimistic.

something that makes the search for oil alternatives even tougher is the fact that there is not ONE single thing we can turn to. we have wind, solar, hydro, fuel from crops, hydrogen fusion, fuel from algae(this one is really interesting), etc. but none of these things can solely replace oil, at least not in the near future. we've already learned that we can't depend on ethanol nearly as much as we originally thought. ethanol is actually turning out to be a bad idea. and there is only so much energy we've been able to derive from hydro and wind. i think solar energy has the most potential that we've hardly tapped into so far.

it will be interesting to see what we will be able to do with hydrogen fusion. remember the movies Chain Reaction and The Saint back in the 90's? it would be cool if we just unlocked this type of energy that gave cheap and everlasting energy to the world like a fairytale ending without all the global economies crashing.

not so much pessimistic, but a realistic look at what is going on politically. Politicians bow down to Moveon.org, the K street lobbiests, special interest groups, and people with large bank accounts. Nowhere on that list is the general public anymore. The republicans sign off on all the stupid democrat bills even when they are in power, to try to get democrat votes (which never works), and the mean time the democrats use this new strength to pull further left. So in essence, you have socialist, and socialist light.

As far as other energy sources go, diversification is key for the moment. The most realistically promising is hydgrogen fuel cells, but i cringe to see what is going to happen to our water supply that they already say is low. Ethanol, at least from corn like the US pushes is a gimmick and is proven to be much worse for the environment than gas and takes more energy to make that ethanol than it gives back.. Sugar cane based ethanol is the only real ethanol solution at this time, but the US government wont allow it to be imported from brazil, who makes it specifically for ethanol use, and runs most of its cars on it... very cheaply... because sugar cane has high amounts of sugar energy.

I say we all go to nuke energy. If its safe enough to stick in a submarine built for war and not worry about it blowing up, then why is it not safe enough for vehicles? just think, you could always avoid bad traffic accidents because you could see the mini mushroom clouds everywhere!!

[Spartan1127]

Originally Posted by vote4fairtax

I say we all go to nuke energy. If its safe enough to stick in a submarine built for war and not worry about it blowing up, then why is it not safe enough for vehicles? just think, you could always avoid bad traffic accidents because you could see the mini mushroom clouds everywhere!!

Yeah, and don't forget about Chernobyl.

[cablekiller]

Originally Posted by vote4fairtax

I say we all go to nuke energy. If its safe enough to stick in a submarine built for war and not worry about it blowing up, then why is it not safe enough for vehicles? just think, you could always avoid bad traffic accidents because you could see the mini mushroom clouds everywhere!!

Because of one person and one movie. Hanoi Jane Fonda and The China Syndrome.

Originally Posted by Spartan1127

Yeah, and don't forget about Chernobyl.

Americas Fault

[Spartan1127]

Originally Posted by shane32Eire

Americas Fault

Untrue. It was actually the Irish leprechauns who raided the nuclear facility with shamrocks and pots of gold coins. Shame on you Ireland.

America tried to stop them but the leprechauns were just too small of a target.