Lebanese crisis - Page 5

Scotracer · 26-07-2006, 10:08 AM

Thank you shane for finding that information to back up what I have been saying all along.

Further developments in the UN peace-keeper deaths:

Kofi Annan has declared these as completely unacceptible as the UN officials were in clearly marked civilian areas, this rules out the chance of them being accidental. Isreal is pushing the limits here, and still a US lead coalition force is no-where to be seen. If this was any other country, I am sure we would have forces in just now sorting out this mess.

Enola Bomber · 26-07-2006, 10:32 AM

What is going on with this thread. Drizzle posted some pics and hardcore facts that a MOD removed for some reason. Why? He didnt say anything wrong or something, why did a MOD delete it? It seems like this thread is being corupted like the governments involved in this discussion. And why was my posts deleted as well? There was so much flaming going on in here and I requested to close it and THAT post got deleted??? This is crazy.

BRUTAL1TY · 26-07-2006, 10:51 AM

I disagree I do not think the hit on the UN post was on purpose. Those UN peacekeepers were very close to the action and accidents happen. I think Annan knows it was not purposeful but is saying it anyways to sway Israel to give into a ceasefire...

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Israeli Airstrike in Lebanon Kills Two UN Peacekeepers, Two Missing

Wednesday, July 26, 2006
FOX News

NABATIYEH, Lebanon — Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed "deep regret" Wednesday over the killing of at least three U.N. peacekeepers in an Israeli airstrike in south Lebanon.

Olmert spoke by phone Wednesday to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had termed the airstrike as "apparently deliberate."

Olmert said the peacekeepers were killed mistakenly and expressed dismay over Annan's accusation, according to a statement by Olmert's office. The prime minister promised a thorough investigation and said the results would be presented to Annan...

Cont'd...

Also Israel is not a "regime based on evil'. That is pure lies and I'm not going to argue about that anymore only because I'll get too pissed, but its disheartening for me to hear people believe that...

Grindstone · 26-07-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Enola Bomber

What is going on with this thread. Drizzle posted some pics and hardcore facts that a MOD removed for some reason. Why? He didnt say anything wrong or something, why did a MOD delete it? It seems like this thread is being corupted like the governments involved in this discussion. And why was my posts deleted as well? There was so much flaming going on in here and I requested to close it and THAT post got deleted??? This is crazy.

Remember you are a guest here at PX360 and as such, you will obey the rules posted by Matt. Read them again if forgot the rules. I enforce them.

Drizzle posted pictures of Iraqi prisoners relating to torture. Please cite, if you can, anything ScotRacer mentioned about POWs, torture and Iraq in his initial post for the thread topic. Feel free to make a thread about POWs, torture and Iraq if you so desire. But they will not be put into a thread about Israel and Hezbollah -- same goes for any other side topic not relevant to the discussion.

And shane, your quote was about as salient as my quote:

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I can make up whatever I want to and pass it off as fact; so please, leave a source link so we can all determine what is "FACTual", as there are plently of left and right-winged websites out there.

Enola Bomber · 26-07-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

Remember you are a guest here at PX360 and as such, you will obey the rules posted by Matt. Read them again if forgot the rules. I enforce them.

Drizzle posted pictures of Iraqi prisoners relating to torture. Please cite, if you can, anything ScotRacer mentioned about POWs, torture and Iraq in his initial post for the thread topic. Feel free to make a thread about POWs, torture and Iraq if you so desire. But they will not be put into a thread about Israel and Hezbollah -- same goes for any other side topic not relevant to the discussion.

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O.k, thats fine, but i didnt post them. Why was my post deleted requesting someone to close this thread FOR being off topic. The thread turned into a flame war, which started off very nicely i might add before crazyamerican stepped into the debate. Why werent those posts deleted? They were going on about stuff for a while, and everyone turned on poor shane and they were saying he had no proof of what he was saying. Drizzle posted proof, and it got deleted along with my posts but no one elses were touch making this thread pretty one sided now. All i asked is to close this thread. The topic has been over discussed and argued about, and there is no point in continuing it if one side is just going to get deleted.

Grindstone · 26-07-2006, 12:12 PM

The thread will not be closed until either ScotRacer asks for its closure, or the Mods come to a consensus that this should be closed. At this point, since I seem to be alone for monitering this forum, a consensus may be awhile.

As for one sided, it would seem ScotRacer, yourself, and shane are doing fine.

I deleted the posts that were the most inflammatory and/or off topic. I'll continue to do so throughout the day until this thread is back on track.

26-07-2006, 01:42 PM

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And shane, your quote was about as salient as my quote:

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I can make up whatever I want to and pass it off as fact; so please, leave a source link so we can all determine what is "FACTual", as there are plently of left and right-winged websites out there.

I will find the links grind, i was looking at alot of pages at the time and forgot the links and pages. But you can be sure I didnt make them up. I dont agree with you,but im not sad!

salgado · 26-07-2006, 01:57 PM

The USA cannot stop this 4,000 year old war, Even if we had 100 countrys in this planet with the same military power the USA has they wouldnt be able to stop this war, This world will end untill one of the two sides is wiped out of this planet meaning the christians or the Islamics . The rest of the world sees this as just a war but the Islamic nations and Israel see this as a holy war Islam vs Christianity so I feel religion is the only thing we can blame for this war. May God protect the innocent children of the region from this war, we humans dont learn that nothing good has ever come out of a war

pApA SmerF01 · 26-07-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by salgado

The USA cannot stop this 4,000 year old war, Even if we had 100 countrys in this planet with the same military power the USA has they wouldnt be able to stop this war, This world will end untill one of the two sides is wiped out of this planet meaning the christians or the Islamics . The rest of the world sees this as just a war but the Islamic nations and Israel see this as a holy war Islam vs Christianity so I feel religion is the only thing we can blame for this war. May God protect the innocent children of the region from this war, we humans dont learn that nothing good has ever come out of a war

...wait...i could have SWORN that Israel was a Jewish community...I guess I was mistaken...

...Not...

salgado · 26-07-2006, 02:34 PM

Judaism is a form of christianity

pApA SmerF01 · 26-07-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by salgado

Judaism is a form of christianity

i'm sorry, but i have to disagree with you on that subject.

christian

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian
Pronunciation: 'kris-ch&n, 'krish-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin christianus, adjective & noun, from Greek christianos, from Christos
1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : DISCIPLE 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
2 : the hero in Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress

judaism

Main Entry: Ju·da·ism
Pronunciation: 'jü-dE-"i-z&m, 'jü-d&-, 'jü-(")dA-, Britain also 'jü-"di-z&m
Function: noun
1 : a religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions
2 : conformity to Jewish rites, ceremonies, and practices
3 : the cultural, social, and religious beliefs and practices of the Jews
4 : the whole body of Jews : the Jewish people

Enola Bomber · 26-07-2006, 02:48 PM

Its true. They arent the same, or even close really. (why do you think jewish people dont celebrate christian holidays like the birth of christ (the very same christ from the title "christ-ianity") DIDNT YOU WATCH THE PASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol.

CrAzYAmerican12 · 26-07-2006, 03:27 PM

I think Salgado brings up a very good point. These conflicts have gone on for thousands of years. Nothing even the US can do will stop it.

Look at what is going on in Iraq. The US occupies the entire country, and we still can't stop the conflicts between the sunni and the shiite.

26-07-2006, 05:00 PM

Right going post some things i just heard on UK/Irish news I watched today, I persume they are facts and hope they are! BBC/RTE dont lie...

First off the UN soldiers begged the Israel army to stop bombing around them at least 6 times (believed to be 10) , and they were told each time they would be stopped, but they werent and the 4 UN peacekeepers died.
Kofi Anan was outraged and said the attacks were delibert. A man known to be calm and collective and not to shout out lies.

It also seems the British foreign minister is angry with the US for using preswick airport as a stoping ground for the planes bringing 5,000lb bombs to Israel. Also i doubt a Minister would speak lies...

The Irish Foreign minister today called Israel a 'Agressive country, with evil ambitions' !!!!

So if you dont like what i say, you still cant say there not true facts and you must be able to see the reason of my feelings against Israel.

26-07-2006, 05:35 PM

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Quiz Quote:
Originally Posted by Insanity7
Anyone else smell WWIII?

Yep, most definently. *sniff* "I love the smell of Napalm in the morning"

*'Ride of the valkyries' Drums through the sky*
followed by the doors..'this is the end'...

I personally dont think this will be WW3 it will get worse and casualties will be epic, specialy civilians. But it wont be WW3 i dont know what will, it will take something bigger then this. But the way this is going it will ruin Lebanons economy for decades and could end up starting famine and hundreds of thousands of deaths. who knows?

Jay2984 · 26-07-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by salgado

Judaism is a form of christianity

Christianity is a form of Judiasm, the first christians were mostly Jews, among others, that branched off into their own religion after jesus was crusified. Didnt mean to get off topic just wanted to clear that up.

Quiz · 26-07-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shane32ie

*'Ride of the valkyries' Drums through the sky*
followed by the doors..'this is the end'...

I personally dont think this will be WW3 it will get worse and casualties will be epic, specialy civilians. But it wont be WW3 i dont know what will, it will take something bigger then this. But the way this is going it will ruin Lebanons economy for decades and could end up starting famine and hundreds of thousands of deaths. who knows?

Im suprised you don't see it coming. Isreal and Hezbohla go to war. North Korea is testing dangerous missles that they shouldn't even have and Iran is developing nuclear energy that they don't even need. Iran is probalby going to get involved in the lebones crisis and the U.S. is going to invade Korea soon. The U.S. Military is already preparing for Korea in Quam. I don't mean its going to happen now but in the near future.

Glock 19 · 27-07-2006, 08:31 AM

Please stay on topic this is not about North Korea. If want to discuss that start another thread on it thanks.

Grindstone · 27-07-2006, 05:39 PM

Now that I have had time to cool off from this thread, I'll post my opinions on the matter.

Let's focus on the main issue here, the Hezbollah, as they are the instigators in this conflict. For those of you who are unaware of the Hezbollah, please click on the link provided:

Hezbollah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I trust we can all agree that wiki is a credible source of information.

Remember, this is the same Hezbollah that ran a truck full of explosives into the US Marine barracks in Beruit in 1983, killing 241 soldiers while they lay in bed. This is one of many autrocities attributed to their cause. The Hezbollah is a radical Islamic faction, much like the Hamas party or Al Qaeda.

Now, on July 12, 2006, Hezbollah radicals fired upon Israeli sttlements and inhabitants. Then, 2 Israeli soldiers were kidnapped (8 killed) by Hezbollah militants. After that, war has ensued and casualties are mounting.

I noticed some have cited that the UN should be more involved. They were, before this began. UN Resolution 1559 was passed in September of 2004 mandating that the Hezbollah disband in Lebanon. Lebanon had 22 months to stifle this problem, though they did little if anything:

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because Lebanon chose to disregard the UN Resolution, and knew full well that Hezbollah was a direct threat to Israel, I am hard presssed to side with them in this recent conflict. I see Israel defending itself against a another terrorist regime which was ordered to disband almost 2 years ago by the UN. Those of you who herald the UN as the standard by which we should obey should re-evaluate your stance against Israel, as you are acting hypocritical by supporting Lebanon's position to disregard a UN resolution.

Therefore, I find Israel's actions justified in this matter.

*Side note: as for the UN observation team that was recently hit, I cannot say. Although it would not be a wise move to attack UN members, and therefore, by that I would judge it was a mistake on Israel's part, albeit a tragic one.

Quiz · 27-07-2006, 06:46 PM

Its startin