Lebanese crisis

[BRUTAL1TY]

Originally Posted by Grindstone

Now that I have had time to cool off from this thread, I'll post my opinions on the matter.

Let's focus on the main issue here, the Hezbollah, as they are the instigators in this conflict. For those of you who are unaware of the Hezbollah, please click on the link provided:

Hezbollah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I trust we can all agree that wiki is a credible source of information.

Remember, this is the same Hezbollah that ran a truck full of explosives into the US Marine barracks in Beruit in 1983, killing 241 soldiers while they lay in bed. This is one of many autrocities attributed to their cause. The Hezbollah is a radical Islamic faction, much like the Hamas party or Al Qaeda.

Now, on July 12, 2006, Hezbollah radicals fired upon Israeli sttlements and inhabitants. Then, 2 Israeli soldiers were kidnapped (8 killed) by Hezbollah militants. After that, war has ensued and casualties are mounting.

I noticed some have cited that the UN should be more involved. They were, before this began. UN Resolution 1559 was passed in September of 2004 mandating that the Hezbollah disband in Lebanon. Lebanon had 22 months to stifle this problem, though they did little if anything:

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because Lebanon chose to disregard the UN Resolution, and knew full well that Hezbollah was a direct threat to Israel, I am hard presssed to side with them in this recent conflict. I see Israel defending itself against a another terrorist regime which was ordered to disband almost 2 years ago by the UN. Those of you who herald the UN as the standard by which we should obey should re-evaluate your stance against Israel, as you are acting hypocritical by supporting Lebanon's position to disregard a UN resolution.

Therefore, I find Israel's actions justified in this matter.

*Side note: as for the UN observation team that was recently hit, I cannot say. Although it would not be a wise move to attack UN members, and therefore, by that I would judge it was a mistake on Israel's part, albeit a tragic one.

Wow VERY good points... I feel kind of stupid for not pointing out the UN Resolution 1559, earlier. Just didn't remember... thanks for pointing that out.

I too also believe the UN post was hit accidentally. What could Israel gain from hitting it? Nothing.

Thirdly, it seems Syria may be waiting a bit to attack... We'll see

Syrian reporter: In Syria there is atmosphere of eve of war

Exclusive: In conversation in Damascus, senior Syrian journalist tells about sentiments in Syria ('as if there will be war any moment'); talks about military preparations in his country ('identifying your reinforcements in Golan Heights'); and estimates that Israeli pounding in Lebanon to intensify grassroots support of Nasrallah and his organization. Also in Syria, he says, Nasrallah more popular than ever. Article here

Syrian army now at its highest state of alert
By Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondent

Syria has placed its military at its highest state of alert in recent years, Israel Defense Forces Intelligence Chief Major General Amos Yadlin told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Tuesday. Syrian forces do remain, however, on a defensive rather than offensive alert.

Yadlin emphasized that "neither Syria nor Israel are interested in a military clash but the situation is explosive and the events may potentially be incorrectly interpreted. This could entangle Syria up in a battle against us."

Hezbollah is interested in opening another front for Israel with Syria, Yadlin said. Hezbollah gunners are firing at the Golan Heights in an effort to embroil Syria in the fighting.

Cont'd...

If Syria gets involved then all hell breaks loose (if it already hasnt). I know this is somewhat off topic in regards to Lebanon, but Syria getting involved will HEAVILY affect the battle between Hezbollah and Israel. Put on your hard hats folks, the sky may soon fall...

[Eazy_D]

Originally Posted by Grindstone

Because Lebanon chose to disregard the UN Resolution, and knew full well that Hezbollah was a direct threat to Israel, I am hard presssed to side with them in this recent conflict. I see Israel defending itself against a another terrorist regime which was ordered to disband almost 2 years ago by the UN. Those of you who herald the UN as the standard by which we should obey should re-evaluate your stance against Israel, as you are acting hypocritical by supporting Lebanon's position to disregard a UN resolution.

Therefore, I find Israel's actions justified in this matter.

*Side note: as for the UN observation team that was recently hit, I cannot say. Although it would not be a wise move to attack UN members, and therefore, by that I would judge it was a mistake on Israel's part, albeit a tragic one.

I too belive Israel are justified in attackind Hezbollah BUT! So many innocent women and Children have died and will continue to die from the actions of both parties I find it hard to come to terms with any of it being justified. Its an impossible situation and neither the U.N. the U.S. or U.K. have an Answer.

Sky News(British News Channel):
(sorry bout any bad spelling!)

The 476 dead is a massive under-estimate, they are not accounting for the probable hundreds of dead traped in buildings/under rubble.

The UNARMED UN peace-keepers are all fleeing southern Lebanon they are in fear of their lives and say 'Israel cant be trusted'
Kofi Anan Is still outraged at Israel for not taking responsability for dead UN peace-keepers.

We Must not forget that these Bombs Isreal are using aren't small arms, were not talking about AK-47s people, were talking 5,000lb bombs being used in civilians streets and on schools/playgrounds and work places.
The Hezbollah have taken a horrible plan, they are starting to hide amoung citizens which Is going to be catastrohic and will not deter Isreals agrresive Stance.

Britain Is still outraged at the US for using the scotish airport of Prestwick to re-fuel the planes bringing the bombs for Isreal to use in southern Lebanon, Irish Foreign Minister Is also taking a stand against the US as they are now using Shannon airport to re-fuel planes bound for Israel, Noone knows what they carry.

DONT ask for links or proof..
It is true, this is a famous news channel well known to be non biast and not talk lies or un-truths.

[Quiz]

DONT ask for links or proof..
It is true, this is a famous news channel well known to be non biast and not talk lies or un-truths.

Hundreds of Katyushas have hit northern Israel in the current fighting, including 96 on Friday, one of which hit a hospital. The Afula strike came two days after Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah vowed his guerrillas would fire rockets beyond Haifa, Israel's third-largest city, which has been hit repeatedly in the conflict.

Hezbollah fires new rockets into Israel - Yahoo! News

At least 445 people have been killed in Lebanon in the fighting, most of them civilians, according to a Health Ministry count Friday based on bodies taken to hospitals. But Lebanon's health minister estimated Thursday that as many as Lebanese 600 civilians have been killed, with other victims buried in rubble.

On the Israeli side, 33 soldiers have died in fighting, and Hezbollah rocket attacks on northern Israel have killed 19 civilians, the Israeli army said

Israel Ignore the UN/International Community's Plea for a 72hr Cease Fire, for humanitarian Aid and to help the injured, and bury the Dead.
Israel Refuses to do this, to the shock of many Nations.
And then kills over 50 innocent people in one attack!!!!

Now if a Country gets away with acting like this, I dont see what could be worse?
'Evil' is a word that comes to mind..

[Quiz]

Thats a bunch of bs. Hezbohla is hiding in civilian cities and Isreal is in the fields away from their population. So who is the evil ones after all. Hezbohla is shooting Kaytosha rockets from civilian buildings. So Isreal has no choice. I guess your pro terrorist media is not telling you this Shane. Isreal troops are not cowards hiding behind innocent people and using them as human sheilds as they fire their stupid littel rockets. Plus Hezbolha started this whole war in the first place. If hezbohla wants to fight then they should fight on the fields like a real solider would.

[BRUTAL1TY]

gotta agree with Quiz. That is exactly what is happening.. The Hezbohllah fighters are using civilians as body armor

[Jeet]

Originally Posted by BRUTAL1TY

gotta agree with Quiz. That is exactly what is happening.. The Hezbohllah fighters are using civilians as body armor

that would be the style of urban guerilla warfare, and Hezbohlah is using it efficiently

[YoungCalgar]

I'm just gonna jump in here, now it is a safe bet that this has been said here but.


This is not News, they have been killing each other for going on what? a few thousand years? it flairs up big time every now and then (Like in the mid 90's) And not the UN, not the US, not Europe not any country will bring peace.
The ONLY thing that will is the anti-christ.

So I resort to my old standby, If JFK comes back to life I am killing myself.



(Incase you don't understand that last bit. ,as even most christians won't get it, it says that the anti-christ will suffer a mortal head wound that the whole world will see then come back to life and bring "peace". And I am awful hard pressed to somone who hasen't seen the zapruder film)

[Razors Edge]

Originally Posted by Quiz

Thats a bunch of bs. Hezbohla is hiding in civilian cities and Isreal is in the fields away from their population. So who is the evil ones after all. Hezbohla is shooting Kaytosha rockets from civilian buildings. So Isreal has no choice. I guess your pro terrorist media is not telling you this Shane. Isreal troops are not cowards hiding behind innocent people and using them as human sheilds as they fire their stupid littel rockets. Plus Hezbolha started this whole war in the first place. If hezbohla wants to fight then they should fight on the fields like a real solider would.

QFT

You could not be more right.

[Jeet]

Originally Posted by Quiz

Thats a bunch of bs. Hezbohla is hiding in civilian cities and Isreal is in the fields away from their population. So who is the evil ones after all. Hezbohla is shooting Kaytosha rockets from civilian buildings. So Isreal has no choice. I guess your pro terrorist media is not telling you this Shane. Isreal troops are not cowards hiding behind innocent people and using them as human sheilds as they fire their stupid littel rockets. Plus Hezbolha started this whole war in the first place. If hezbohla wants to fight then they should fight on the fields like a real solider would.

what is your defination of evil? maybe some see the Isreali's as the evil ones

[CrAzYAmerican12]

Jeet, don't try and defend what Hezbollah is doing. If you see what Isreal is doing as wrong, then you don't fully understand what is going on.

Israel Ignore the UN/International Community's Plea for a 72hr Cease Fire, for humanitarian Aid and to help the injured, and bury the Dead.
Israel Refuses to do this, to the shock of many Nations.
And then kills over 50 innocent people in one attack!!!!

Now if a Country gets away with acting like this, I dont see what could be worse?
'Evil' is a word that comes to mind..

So would you consider Hezbollah's launching of rockets into civilian areas evil? Isreal has had enough of Hezbollah, who wouldn't? It's easy for people who disagree with what Isreal is doing b/c they don't live there. They aren't around the constant bombardment of rockets comming from Hezbollah, and that is why most Isreali's agree with what their government is doing.

And I do feel bad for innocent life lost, but Isreal did trop thousands of flyers and warnings to the Lebonese people before they started their bombing campigns. I guess if you don't take that seriously, well then you learn the hard way. If people aren't gunna leave, some are going to die. Thats how war is...its not fun.

[Jeet]

Originally Posted by CrAzYAmerican12

Jeet, don't try and defend what Hezbollah is doing. If you see what Isreal is doing as wrong, then you don't fully understand what is going on.



So would you consider Hezbollah's launching of rockets into civilian areas evil? Isreal has had enough of Hezbollah, who wouldn't? It's easy for people who disagree with what Isreal is doing b/c they don't live there. They aren't around the constant bombardment of rockets comming from Hezbollah, and that is why most Isreali's agree with what their government is doing.

And I do feel bad for innocent life lost, but Isreal did trop thousands of flyers and warnings to the Lebonese people before they started their bombing campigns. I guess if you don't take that seriously, well then you learn the hard way. If people aren't gunna leave, some are going to die. Thats how war is...its not fun.

dont try and psychoanalyze my post by saying that i am supporting Hezbollah , im just saying that i dont like a lot of people are trying to act like they know what they are talking about and should stay out of it cause they really have no idea, because all they do is listen to media coverage

[CrAzYAmerican12]

You are correct. Most people do base their opinions on the liberal media coverage.

[Fanta]

Israel using illegal chemical weapons?

ShoutWire - Israel Using Illegal Chemical Weapons? GRAPHIC IMAGES

<EDIT> NOTE THE WORD "GRAPHIC". THERE ARE SOME DISTURBING IMAGES ON THAT LINK

[Don_Rico]

Originally Posted by Fanta

Israel using illegal chemical weapons?

ShoutWire - Israel Using Illegal Chemical Weapons? GRAPHIC IMAGES

<EDIT> NOTE THE WORD "GRAPHIC". THERE ARE SOME DISTURBING IMAGES ON THAT LINK

...Yeah, that was pretty damn disturbing. And no, that does really not look normal.