ps3 how good? - Page 2

citizen X · 06-09-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by truGamer

I think the PS3 might have an advantage over the 360. Some people say that the PS3's bandwith is too low, but its not, not with the blue ray drive. Even if it was, Sony can still increase it, u know there is still a lot of time for them. But dont get me wrong, i still want an x360 and am going to get one.

Games:NFS most wanted,fifa 2006, TD Unlimited

They can’t change the system layout to improve on the bandwidth. The bandwidth is the structure of the console if u want to change the bandwidth then you’ll need to start all over form scratch.

For EX:

When car manufactures make a new car and spend 2 years on the design. They can’t do significant changes to the frame of the car when it's 1 year from launch. They’d need to start all over.

And putting more bandwidth is a very significant change when talking about any type of hardware.

hussain21 · 07-09-2005, 03:50 PM

The xbox 360 was developed with 3 or four things in mind, those being developers, gamers, an always online system (IF you connect it), and a multimedia machine. No matter what krazy ken says, his machine is a gaming machine, it's multimedia, online and developer friendly features look like a second thought.

Developers - we've touched all of this, a great game selection and unlike the PS3 games that are not called Untitle Game #[insert a number].

Gamers - Developer support is always good for gamers, always online good for gamers, multimedia great for gamers(I'll touch on this topic later) also the main menu, the startup program is always accessible (unlike the xbox where you have to take the disc out).

Always Online - With this new main menu, you can access everything, even in game, always online, well playing a game, a friend wants to chat, you can pause/stop playing the game and talk, w/e it be with voice, video or both.

Multimedia - Yea, it can play CDs and DVDs, sure you can plug your iPod and PSP in, but why do I mention this. First no one has mentioned this features, well during the Game Conference (that's what it's called) the guy is playing kameo, he just remembers(in the middle of playing) a previous guy had plugged his iPod, with a press of a couple buttons he got his music going, now whether it replaces all in game sounds or just in game music and is it with all games, I don't know, but if it is with all games, at the whimp of a thought I can play my music to replace in game music *cough* prince of persia 2 *cough*. The PSP and iPod are both direct competitors products. If you own a media center, you might not, but if you do you can stream content from on the media center to the xbox with little lag, now this is a great freature for me, seing as I'm building a media center. If you don't have a Media Center, then why not stream it from your PC, through windows media connect, now this needs some sort of wireless network and an apdapter for the 360, or just have a wired network. This is great sure it isn't as good as games, or always online, or that stuff, but this is a good feature.

One more feature, parental control - I heard your kids play games too, they'll probably play on the xbox 360, so if they are young you don't really want them to play GTA, I pretty sure, they've integrated the parental controls in the gamertags, and therefore, if they go on they're account, they can't play the game.

On the subject of the PS3, they are very similar in power, but unfortunetly it's like comparing apples and oranges, what matter is the games and the features.

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Originally Posted by truGamer

I think the PS3 might have an advantage over the 360. Some people say that the PS3's bandwith is too low, but its not, not with the blue ray drive. Even if it was, Sony can still increase it, u know there is still a lot of time for them. But dont get me wrong, i still want an x360 and am going to get one.

Games:NFS most wanted,fifa 2006, TD Unlimited

Newer storage formats ARE ALWAYS SLOWER than A) the technology it's based on, or B) when it's new technology. But this is at launch of the new storage type, your argument of blu-ray is useless.

Jeet · 07-09-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TXSPheonix

Ace,

You fail to mention the HD-DVD's advantages.

While there are very few, some could be very important.

1. What will the average consumer think of blu-ray? I don't know either, but HD-DVD has "DVD" in it. Possibly generating more sales?

2. Much cheaper to make than blu-ray. It also, obviously, sells much cheaper as well.

LOL

I actually wasn't able to list many, but I know there are a few more...

3. You have to be extremely careful with blu-ray discs, eg. putting them in their sepcial sleeves because they are so fragile

hussain21 · 07-09-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeet

3. You have to be extremely careful with blu-ray discs, eg. putting them in their sepcial sleeves because they are so fragile

4. Blu-ray locks devices down that have been tampered with (ie. modding), so blu-ray in PS3 could lock down the drive, and the system becomes absolute, that technology is not perfect, as I read it's possible that the drive gets locked down for no reason. And if I remember correctly once it's locked down it's really hard to un-lock.
5. Blu-ray drives become more expensive as soon as you add DVD(movie) support, it's expected that DVD makers are putting an MPEG-2 encoded video on the disc, but they aren't, that means certain drives will not be able to play certain DVD movies. So a high-end blu-ray drive will probably include DVD movie support, but the low ends may be out of luck. I'm not sure if that has changed recently, or they've decided to make DVD movies backward compatibility a requirement. HD-DVDs are already backward compatible with all drives.
6. MS is backing HD-DVD a 100%, that means support for HD-DVD drives will be a priority, and Blu-ray will be secondary.

TXSPheonix · 07-09-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeet

3. You have to be extremely careful with blu-ray discs, eg. putting them in their sepcial sleeves because they are so fragile

Yeah, forgot that one.

HD-DVD disks are much thicker, in a good way.

Not mammoth huge, but you can step on them and they won't break. (Kindof)

TRouBLe · 09-09-2005, 04:29 PM

seeing that this topic is turning a bit to HD-DVD vs Blue Ray topic.
I have 2 say two things bout HD-DVD: Much cheaper and the compressing codecs are a lot better
Also HD-DVD supports 20Gigz of space while Blu-Ray is up to 25Gigz per layer.

P.S. Don't fool yourselves We don't need next-gen DVD for now.

TXSPheonix · 09-09-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TRouBLe

seeing that this topic is turning a bit to HD-DVD vs Blue Ray topic.
I have 2 say two things bout HD-DVD: Much cheaper and the compressing codecs are a lot better
Also HD-DVD supports 20Gigz of space while Blu-Ray is up to 25Gigz per layer.

P.S. Don't fool yourselves We don't need next-gen DVD for now.

HD-DVD is 15 gigs of space...blu-ray is more than 25 gigs...forgot how many they have though.

Tech9mm · 11-09-2005, 01:26 AM

not to sound rude or like a fanboy but we don't know what the PS3 has in store until it actually gets close to comin out because I wasn't to much liking x360 when they unveiled it at first and now i can't get enough of it, so jus wait until u can get more hands on news about it before u really start judging it or you'll end up like me hating it first then wanting one when it gets ready to come out.

Muthas · 11-09-2005, 02:58 AM

its all just about fanboys, the one likes this, the other likes that, if you like online gaming, just get a xbox360 its the best...

Doughboy17 · 11-09-2005, 05:10 AM

i think i know the answer to all (yeah right like that would ever be possible) but lets be honest and unbiased for a second what console did you grow up the n64/dreamcast and ps well we all put hundreads of hours into all these consoles and then when the 2nd gen came around the gamecube was literaly a nursery toy the ps2 rocked the gaming industry like never before all the games we know and love (execept a few) were born on the Sony playstation but then something happen something we had not seen before The Xbox arrived and with the harddrive and graphics we were blown away (and in my onpioin is the best but it would take me 20 pages to explain why in a fiar way) but still for some reason sony has the biggest fan base and i ask my self why and i really think its just loyalty like they had the ps then the ps2 now the ps3 but for europeans like myself (uk) i can understand why cuz with diging at microsoft we kinda got short shafted with the xbox we got all the crap launch games and the worst of all NO HIGH DEF OUTPUT and the price aswell so they also weighs on people descion if you ask me stick with the 360 its got everything that GAMERS need

bennyboo03 · 11-09-2005, 07:40 AM

i say xbox 360 is for gamers, PS3 for rich people. by the looks of the consoles you can tell.(ps3 is all fancy and shiny)

Diamond · 16-09-2005, 10:52 AM

Yeah, it's too bad they decided to go with brand new technology. Now they have an expensive system that's still not as good as the 360. It's a shame and I feel really sorry for PS fans. I just wish the japanese market would stop making new technology we don't need and improve on what we have. if they took that approach I'm sure their turn outs would be much better.

ColdSpyder · 16-09-2005, 01:19 PM

dude just do what i do buy it all... im buyin xbox 360, ps3 and the revolution thats the best way

lawrence · 21-09-2005, 06:34 PM

i'm still hearing the ps3 will be better,
its only sites like this that are claiming otherwise

Agent X · 21-09-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bennyboo03

i say xbox 360 is for gamers, PS3 for rich people. by the looks of the consoles you can tell.(ps3 is all fancy and shiny)

although I'm quite err... financially adequate I'm still getting a 360 Son is just making a fool of themselves.

daniel.isaac.h · 21-09-2005, 07:21 PM

All of them will Wrock!

Diamond · 21-09-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrence

i'm still hearing the ps3 will be better,
its only sites like this that are claiming otherwise

2 words: Media Brainwashing

Most of the Media (web articles, reporters etc) are biased for Sony.

Pick a few sites, read some articles over carefully. Examine the wording. Tell me what you see.

chinpira · 22-09-2005, 06:16 AM

I don't think in a lot of cases it is a case of a bias in Sony's favour. I think there are a lot of other factors at play.

If you put the spec's down side by side Sony has the next gen wow factor thanks to the inclusion of CELL and Blueray. They may be unproven technologies and the console may not harness their full potential but at the moment while none of us own either of them they are important factors in how the two consoles are perceived.

Also with the launch of 360 only a few months away there is a constant stream of news about the console itself and the games in development for it. Sony on the other hand is x months away from launch and concrete details are scarce. So it stands to reason that websites will give more focus to Sony if there are comparable announcements from both camps due to the lack of other news about the console. It's just the way the mass media works I'm afraid.

keb9881 · 22-09-2005, 10:07 AM

Lets be clear by saying I have nothing to back these statements, but found it to be interesting anyway, see what u think:

They are saying the 360 IS more powerful, and easier to design for because Sony overfluffed themselves, it's been biting themselves in the #ss since E3.
A majority of the people saw right through their BS, and it's hurting them right now.

What sony failed to mention while they were overhyping themselves was a few major points;

#1 there System Core, the Cell is a 2.2 Gig Core with 5 200mhz Cores so that it can move around processes to other cores as needed- the biggest design flaw ever, it takes up to 3 of those cores just for the processor to manage it's own processes because they overcomplicated the CPU.

#2 their Benchmakers of being twice as powerful as the 360 were basing off of 1 core of the 360, not the combined power of the 3 cores. They kept basing it off of "3.2ghz" core when it's a combined 9.6ghz in the 360. Both the Cell and the Xenon are made with the same manufacturing process, both are Power PC which means that architectually they are exactly the same, so Mhz for Mhz they will produce the same gigaflops. That was a big blunder.

#3 is Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray didn't get accepted as Sony would have hoped by the Movie Industry, so instead of bowing down to Toshiba (who BTW, developed HD-DVD with Microsoft) and let HD-DVD become the new standard, they said ***k you all, we are gonna release Blu-Ray, we no longer want a Standard DVD Format! Reasoning for that was the PS3, they couldn't afford to loose the blu-ray standard, and have their system not be able to play movies. So come next year there will be two DVD formats for High Def; HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Some movie companies will use one or the other or both so it will be interesting.

#4 of Sony's blunders comes in their price.
Their price is rumored by their own president to be "Extremely expensive, something that the average person will gladly pay 2 paychecks for" so they are thinking between 500-800 bucks. The manufacting costs of the HD-DVD is nill, since it only requires "Slight" Modifications to the current systems. Sony will loose this next battle, I think the 360 and Revolution is gonna take the cake.

And No, blueray disc will NOT play in standard DVD players HD-DVD's will.