ps3 how good? - Page 3

Diamond · 22-09-2005, 11:52 AM

It was a good read though. I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed unless they're absolutely sure what they want though, Grindstone.

I think if someone can read through the facts and still decide they want a PS3 then they're better off that way. At least it won't become a big shock to them if they discover it's not as great as they hyped it up to be.

Grindstone · 22-09-2005, 12:43 PM

Yeah, but I would venture to say that regardless of how much fact finding we post, those rabid fanbois are not paying attention to it. Since they blindly trust Sony Co., they will go out and buy the product, get a decent system, but in the end, will not be basking the glory days as they used to. But, that is just my take on it. Maybe the PS3 will really come with a grill, and that may be the diffference that puts them ahead of all the other consoles.

Diamond · 22-09-2005, 01:02 PM

True, if it comes with a grill I may switch over as my barbeque is getting old.

I just read this interesting article about Sony that BionicCommando posted. I'll link the post.

http://forums.planetxbox360.com/14108-post68.html

keb9881 · 22-09-2005, 02:09 PM

Sorry about my above post, it was a quick cut and paste job. I was short on time, but just wanted to put it out there. Feel free to re-post in a more friendly format. I enjoy the site - keep up the good work guys!

Grindstone · 22-09-2005, 03:49 PM

Cordial FYI, keb, I revamped your post so it is easier to read. I made very few spelling corrections, but left most of it intact the way you posted it.

Diamond · 22-09-2005, 03:54 PM

Looks better, but keb should give it another once over. Some thing's like this don't make sence as is.

#4 of Sony's blunders comes in their price.

I only glanced it since I already read it. If you would like some help making it neater let us know. We'd be glad to help

Arqentus · 22-09-2005, 05:58 PM

#5. Mistake number 5: No world wide release in Spring 2006???

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Sony chairman and CEO Sir Howard Stringer has confirmed that the company plans to launch PlayStation 3 in the spring of next year, according to German website Gamefront.

But in which territories, precisely? Well, indications are that a Japanese launch will come first, some time around April or May. European and US launches will follow later - most likely before the end of the year, but possibly as late as 2007.

Anticipation for the PS3 is exceptionally high amongst consumers, particularly in Sony's native Japan. A recent survey which questioned 500 male and 500 female console owners in Japan found that an overwhelming 72.3 percent said they would be buying the PS3.

Another PSP launch or what? Aka, the US 6 months after Japan, and Europe getting the thing a year after its release???

Starts to look like it more & more. Anybody know off any US developers working on PS3 titles? I remember a few Japanese ones working on titles ( no big surprice ), but i dont remember a lot of US/EU developers. Maybe a indication of whats to come.

If it ends up true, then Sony has a problem. Ending up late at party is not a good thing.

But then again, it does make sence ... we have all commented on how strange it is releasing the PS3 in a spring timeframe ( aka, no big end of year sales ). So, a end of year 2006 makes more sence from a marketing point of view. Hell, has anyone even heared if the PS3 is in production?

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truGamer · 22-09-2005, 06:34 PM

i highly doubt it. i think earliest would be end of dec.

Diamond · 22-09-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Arqentus

#5. Mistake number 5: No world wide release in Spring 2006???

Another PSP launch or what? Aka, the US 6 months after Japan, and Europe getting the thing a year after its release???

Starts to look like it more & more. Anybody know off any US developers working on PS3 titles? I remember a few Japanese ones working on titles ( no big surprice ), but i dont remember a lot of US/EU developers. Maybe a indication of whats to come.

If it ends up true, then Sony has a problem. Ending up late at party is not a good thing.

But then again, it does make sence ... we have all commented on how strange it is releasing the PS3 in a spring timeframe ( aka, no big end of year sales ). So, a end of year 2006 makes more sence from a marketing point of view. Hell, has anyone even heared if the PS3 is in production?

Link To Story

Good find sir.

Still, look at it this way. It's going to be bad for them no matter what.

Spring '06= Not a good time of the year for a grand release.

December '06 = bad considering that makes them a year behind the 360, which will already have TONS of games out plus a "promised" price cut from microsoft. Think of how many more sales ps2 had compared to Xbox at first. The difference this time is the systems are INITIALLY equal, as far as the short term goes

Spring '07 = Over a year and a half late and still it's a bad time of the year. I won't expect many people (fans included) to wait this long, nor would I expect as many buyers.

The longer they wait the more competition they have to face. Either way, I see the Xbox 360 becoming very successful this generation no matter how it goes.

EDIT: I forgot to include the Nintendo Revolution as a factor too. I don't know when it'll be out, but it almost seems likely we'll find one in our living rooms before a ps3, at this rate.

Grindstone · 23-09-2005, 11:50 AM

Nice find, Argentus. And good follow-up, Diamond. I would be rather pissed if I was an avid Sony PS3 fan, and then I hear about a release date in Japan that preceeds the launch date in the US by 6 months. But, as Diamond pointed out, there is no real good timeframe for PS3 right now. Next Xmas (not this coming one), it'll be a fight between all three consoles. 2 new and one established with over a hundred games to choose from. It'll interesting, but mostly amusing to those of us who already have our Xbox 360 and have been enjoying next-gen gaming for over a year.

Arqentus · 23-09-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

Next Xmas (not this coming one), it'll be a fight between all three consoles. 2 new and one established with over a hundred games to choose from. It'll interesting, but mostly amusing to those of us who already have our Xbox 360 and have been enjoying next-gen gaming for over a year.

Even more freaky is the fact that MS already promised to drop the xbox360's price when the ps3 gets released. Now, all of a sudden Sony has to deal with a console thats already expected to be a lot more expensive then the xbox360 vs the current price. But when MS then cuts the price by maybe 50$ to 249/349$. That means Sony needs to do a big cut in it's hardware price to keep up.

So you end up a fight with then First Generation Xbox360 titles ( and to be honest, i'm amazed at how many titles have been anounced already just for this year alone ). Then you have the second generation of xbox360 titles in Q2 of 2006. With maybe a price drop on some of the first generation titles.

This again Sony needs to fight off with games that are expected to be more expensive becouse of the media used ( blue ray ) or take a PR hit, and release them as DVD-9 to keep price up to xbox360's second generation price's.

It doesent mather how i spin it, and turn it, it has a very bad senario written all over it for Sony.

I dont expect Nintendo to be the big thing. While the available info of the console looks nice, i think Nintendo will keep its tradition & focus more on the kids/Teens, where as MS & Sony focus more on the Teens/Adults.

I'm still amazed on how many people still think the E3 PS3 trailers are real ingame footage, and dident pick up that it wasent ingame ( or people are just closing there ears/eyes to this ).

Diamond · 23-09-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

Nice find, Argentus. And good follow-up, Diamond. I would be rather pissed if I was an avid Sony PS3 fan, and then I hear about a release date in Japan that preceeds the launch date in the US by 6 months. But, as Diamond pointed out, there is no real good timeframe for PS3 right now. Next Xmas (not this coming one), it'll be a fight between all three consoles. 2 new and one established with over a hundred games to choose from. It'll interesting, but mostly amusing to those of us who already have our Xbox 360 and have been enjoying next-gen gaming for over a year.

Yup, and so far every place I know who takes pre-orders up here in Canada is packed up with them. I know a bunch of people here say they'll be getting both but my theory is most will simply settle down to the 360 now, and a year(?) or so later when the PS3 is released, the graphics/games won't really look like a new thing anymore. Most people will shrug at it and stick with their 360 in the end.

The 360 looks like it's going to have way more games, also.

Grindstone · 23-09-2005, 01:09 PM

I can see people buying 2 consoles, but not 360 and PS3, but rather adding the Rev. to their collection. But, as so aptly put, the 360 and PS3 will be similar for the most part, but the second generation of MS games will impress buyers more than the 1st generation PS3 buyers. Plus, imagine if Bill Gates was correct (and I am still under the assumption that he is), and Halo 3 does come out with the launch of PS3. Even better yet, the week before. Couple that with the price drops and the impressive games available; gentlemen, things do look dire for Sony.

Now I do not want Sony to die out, I feel they are needed to keep the competition healthy and innovative. But to have them lose the massive market share wouldn't hurt. I actually prefer MS as an underdog status, makes them try harder.

For Nintendo, I see some success for them as well. The innovative controller will revamp an interest in their system, and perhaps even steal sales from the other consoles. But they are still behind with regards to being in the major party of consoles. No HD support was a big no-no in my book.

Anyway, good discussion. I like the analysis thus far.

Diamond · 23-09-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

I can see people buying 2 consoles, but not 360 and PS3, but rather adding the Rev. to their collection. But, as so aptly put, the 360 and PS3 will be similar for the most part, but the second generation of MS games will impress buyers more than the 1st generation PS3 buyers. Plus, imagine if Bill Gates was correct (and I am still under the assumption that he is), and Halo 3 does come out with the launch of PS3. Even better yet, the week before. Couple that with the price drops and the impressive games available; gentlemen, things do look dire for Sony.

Now I do not want Sony to die out, I feel they are needed to keep the competition healthy and innovative. But to have them lose the massive market share wouldn't hurt. I actually prefer MS as an underdog status, makes them try harder.

For Nintendo, I see some success for them as well. The innovative controller will revamp an interest in their system, and perhaps even steal sales from the other consoles. But they are still behind with regards to being in the major party of consoles. No HD support was a big no-no in my book.

Anyway, good discussion. I like the analysis thus far.

I look at it this way. Would you invest billions into your product if you going to stay the underdog? Nah, MS wants this and I think they deserve it. They've done so much as far as revolutionizing console gaming, but that goes without saying. Sony is a bad leader. They haven't actually done anything to revolutionize games. They just copy everyone else's idea and try to make it better. If MS comes out on top, they'll have more money to go around and I'm sure they wouldn't want to lose that position. They'll probably invest more into it. But keep in mind, MS has other 'big' projects to worry about too like Windows Vista and PC gaming.

I know everyone's only in this business game for the profit, but at least companies like Nintendo and MS come up with ideas and give us things we like. I think they still would even if the competition beats down Sony, and Nintendo steps up into place.

Would MS or Nintendo stop trying to revolutionize gaming if they were the 'big chiefs'?

I couldn't answer that. BUT, have they given us any reason to believe so? All I know is Sony worked their way up and has done little to nothing except offer 'exclusive' titles from 3rd parties that keep people wanting. It remains to be seen if MS would disappoint us, but I don't think they will.

I'm impressed with how far MS has gone. I think they deserve it, in my opinion.

Grindstone · 23-09-2005, 02:08 PM

That would be really weird if Nintendo made a triumphant return beating out Sony and shouldering MSoft. Sony would probably declare bankruptsy and would be left with SEGA status, maybe. But, this seems a bit too far fetched. Remember the fanbois. They've been fed for too long to give up so abruptly.

Now MSoft has been innovative as well, including unparalleled online play with a built in modem for the system, IMO, the best controller to date, and a HDD. That was for the original Xbox. Sony hasn't done too much, per se, but the fan base is huge. All things considered, though, I do see Sony losing its edge, and if Nintendo can get back into premier status, I wouldn't be disappointed at all. I think we can all agree that MSoft is going to be staying in the gaming community for a while. Unless the 360 launches with a bunch of bugs and just kills itself. I'd still go to Nintendo if that happened.

Diamond · 23-09-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

That would be really weird if Nintendo made a triumphant return beating out Sony and shouldering MSoft. Sony would probably declare bankruptsy and would be left with SEGA status, maybe. But, this seems a bit too far fetched. Remember the fanbois. They've been fed for too long to give up so abruptly.

Now MSoft has been innovative as well, including unparalleled online play with a built in modem for the system, IMO, the best controller to date, and a HDD. That was for the original Xbox. Sony hasn't done too much, per se, but the fan base is huge. All things considered, though, I do see Sony losing its edge, and if Nintendo can get back into premier status, I wouldn't be disappointed at all. I think we can all agree that MSoft is going to be staying in the gaming community for a while. Unless the 360 launches with a bunch of bugs and just kills itself. I'd still go to Nintendo if that happened.

Don't forget, a lot of their fanboys are only fanboys because of the 'exclusive titles' they've been sacraficing their virgin cows to. Most of them don't even realize they aren't "Sony" titles, or 989 Studios, or SOE, or whatever they call themselves now.

Companies like Squaresoft only defected from Nintendo because the new CD system offered more storage, and I guess decided to shaft Sega in the process. I imagine quite a few Sony fanboys are still confused from when they heard MGS2 was on the Xbox and FFXI is coming to the Xbox 360. I'm reading some of the PS forums right now and you wouldn't believe the things they're ranting. Unbelievable.

Grindstone · 23-09-2005, 03:11 PM

Oh please, do tell! Or link it. I feel their pain, though. It's like believing you were in a dream, but now that reality is seeping in, the dream is fading into a harsh existence. Or maybe I don't know what I am talking about.

Where's that friggin' link!?

Arqentus · 23-09-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond

Would MS or Nintendo stop trying to revolutionize gaming if they were the 'big chiefs'?

I can answer that on the MS part. Yes, if MS was the 'big chief' it will stop revolutionizing & start to "upgrading".

If there is one clear pathern that any company has, thats they become stagnating when they reach a big marketshare position. MS's last big move was windows 95. Windows 2000 was a minor revolution. All the other OS's have been upgrades. Just like Windows Vista is. Nothing revolutionair, just fixes & some eye candy. Every company has this problem, and Sony is no exeption. I remember a Sony meating i attended where they introduced there new PS2 lineup for 2002 if i remember correctly ( been a few years ). Lots of PR, so much it made me almost sick ( one reason i hate going to distributer meeting ... they expect people to be stupit but then again, almost all meeting are like that

But thats offtopic

).

The Xbox360 & the PS3 are both inspired by the fight between the 2 competing company's. Sony seems to have made a lot of bad desissions, and is to confident in its brand name. Its trying to much to ride out using its name & a few none ingame rendered movies, and thats the big mistake. Its rather commen in a big company like Sony etc ... It becomes a burocracy. The MS xbox devision woke up, and takes a big strike at sony now. But in a few years if Sony is out for the count, i expect the rolls to be reversed for the xbox460 / ps4 whatever. It heapons a lot. No big competition, or underestimating the competition, and things like this heapon.