Sony support 1080p. Why?

marcowilson · 11-09-2005, 09:58 AM

Why does Sony want to support 1080p. Most TVS only support up to 1080i and the ps3 lacks 1080p support

Aquanox · 11-09-2005, 12:01 PM

I'm pretty sure that Sony made up many of their specifications On-The-Road based on what Microsoft announced for the Xbox 360, just to make it look "better". For example, the amount of Controllers (7 Controllers, I'm dying for playing with 7 guys in one screen, yeah right) the amount of ports, double output and stupid things like that, that aren't necessary at all. 1080p is, in my opinion, one of those features. Sony's a hardware company and they can do things like that 'cause they make them given that they know they won't ever be able to compete against Microsoft in software matters (XNA, OS, etc...)

Now, why didn't Microsoft enable 1080p? Well, because the percentage of 1080p TVs around is 0.0001%, except for Japan, where's around... 1%? (just guessing here) and it's a pretty big headache for developers to push them to consider that resolution in every single game.

One might think that Sony could have a little advantage by including that resolution, but that's wrong as hell. True Next-Gen games (lets say, games like Gears of War or Halo 3) won't be able to run @ that resolution decently in the PS3. To start with, their GPU's based in the G70 technology, and they lack embedded RAM, therefore, they can't process the AA without suffering a performance impact. It means that when the PS3 goes up to 1080p in games, they will have to, either disable AA, or reduce the detail, and that certainly stinks. Just take a look at the G70 benchmarks, with AA enabled, the powerful videocard gets on its knees and goes down to unplayable framerates, even in current gen games like Doom3, and the RSX shouldn't be much different than that. And lets remember, 720p 4xAA is a perfect resolution for ANY TV around, even the 1080p ones. Just take a look to the PGR3 recent screenshots, where it's impossible to find jaggies.

When are you going to take advantage of that feature then? Well, maybe when 1080p movies are released, I'm not quite sure when is that gonna happen, but considering that the x360 will come with a DVD rom, it'd been a nonsense to include it since it wouldn't be used for gamming.

marcowilson · 11-09-2005, 02:46 PM

Wow Aquanox nice facts!

TRouBLe · 11-09-2005, 02:54 PM

I have read in an interview that there's no way the RSX will support dual 1080i output.
It will be simulated 1080i or something like that.
THe amount of 1080i capable HDTVs around the world is, like Aquanox said, something lower than 1%. Imagine TWO of those HDTV in one room

Grindstone · 12-09-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TRouBLe

I have read in an interview that there's no way the RSX will support dual 1080i output.
It will be simulated 1080i or something like that.
THe amount of 1080i capable HDTVs around the world is, like Aquanox said, something lower than 1%. Imagine TWO of those HDTV in one room

*Ahem. You meant 1080p, right? 1080i is more prevelent than 1080p, by about 4% more or better. (Yeah, I pulled that percentage number out of a hidded place on my body.)

Nice post, Aquanox, nice read.

TRouBLe · 12-09-2005, 02:08 PM

I don't own an HDTV so i'm a little bit confused.
I thought 480p was SDTV and 480i 720i and 1080i was HDTV.
Can someone enlighten me, plz????????

marcowilson · 12-09-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TRouBLe

I don't own an HDTV so i'm a little bit confused.
I thought 480p was SDTV and 480i 720i and 1080i was HDTV.
Can someone enlighten me, plz????????

480p is SDTV and EDTV but 480i and 720i are EDTV

TRouBLe · 12-09-2005, 03:03 PM

EDTV is HDTV?
What about 1080i and 1080p?

Jeet · 12-09-2005, 03:18 PM

1080i and 1080p are HDTV lol

Doughboy17 · 12-09-2005, 03:39 PM

my tv supports 1080i yeah it cost a truck load of money but hey one must get nice things.lol

Diamond · 16-09-2005, 11:05 AM

ok so, does that mean any TV that has 720p or 1080i is a High Definition TV? or is this speparate? I'm really confused because I want to get a HD TV for the 360 but I see all these things like HDTV Ready LCD blah blah blah

Cybergig1 · 16-09-2005, 11:49 AM

720p is also now accepted as an HD signal. so anything 720p and up is HD (so 1080i and 1080p)

everything isn't true HD. 480p is just like standard tv only instead of interlaced its progressive scan so its a bit cleaner (hence the I for interlaced and the P for progressive)

1080p tv's just hit the market in July and are rather expensive. They wont saturate until late 06 hence why I didn't bother getting my plasma with 1080p. Since I dont see movies with that coming out till 06 at the earliest (I mean to get true 1080p the movie has to be actually filmed with that style camera) anything else is just upconverted and isn't true to the format so it wont be anything but smoke and mirrors. Now once all new movies are shot in HD its going to be a great world. We just aren't there yet. I'm all for futureproofing. But some things are a bit too extreme. Sony could easily just drop the 1080p support and not be any worse for wear.

Also the % of just basic HDTV is smaller than you would think. Over 90% of anyoen who buys a next gen system will just be playing on a standard tv. HDTV's still aren't a large percentage yet. They have just now begun to fall to affordable prices to where average households could even start thinking about getting one. Thats the -only- thing Nintendo has guessed right. Although I hate their decision not to support HDTV since it alienates me, they are correct that the largest part of the worldwide gamers dont have HDTV's.

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Originally Posted by Aquanox

And lets remember, 720p 4xAA is a perfect resolution for ANY TV around, even the 1080p ones. Just take a look to the PGR3 recent screenshots, where it's impossible to find jaggies.

sorry but not sure where you got that idea. 720p will not work on "ANY TV around" standard TV's cannot even accept 480p signals. Just try hooking up component cables to a non hdtv and turn your Xbox to send a 480p signal. You wont get a signal at all minus what looks like your cable going insane. So 720p definitely wont just work on "any" tv. If you dont have an HDTV you can't turn on 480p/720p or 1080i.
Those with standard tv's are stuck with 480i. Which will still benice but nothing like those of us with HDTV's running 720p myself included its the whole reason I got my plasma as its pixel for pixel perfect for 720p resolutions

Just had to clear that up

Diamond · 16-09-2005, 12:00 PM

Yeah but you know what, I still want one. If I can get a good deal on one by the time it's out I'll have one HELL of a 360 party at my place!

Diamond · 16-09-2005, 12:03 PM

But I really need the answer to this: between HDTV ready and having it built in. Which is better to have?

I'm looking to know if there is a difference? Not just cost wise, but visually and technical wise. Thanks.

jrfermin · 16-09-2005, 12:23 PM

Let me try and explain "i" and "p" when it comes to HDTV. Interlaced - "i" stands for interlaced scanning TVs paint odd-numbered lines in succession, then go back and fill in the remaining even-numbered lines. Progressive - "p"
scanning used in broadcast television, the process by which all odd and even scanning lines are "painted" by an electron beam every 1/60 of a second.

480i interlaced; form of standard-definition digital television (SDTV) that approximates the quality of analog television but not considered high-definition television

480p progressive form of standard-definition digital television (SDTV) comparable to VGA computer displays but not considered high-definition television (HDTV), though 480p is discernibly cleaner and slightly sharper than analog television. The native resolution of DVD is 480p - also known as EDTV.

720p - One of two currently used formats designated as high-definition television in the ATSC DTV standard, this technology comprises 720 vertical pixels and 1,280 horizontal pixels. which is used in the other accepted HDTV standard

1080i - 1080 interlaced; one of two formats designated as high-definition television in the ATSC DTV standard, with 1,080 vertical pixels by 1,920 horizontal pixels. used in the second HDTV standard, 720p. Contrary to myth, 1080i is not superior to 720p;

Finally 1080p - means that the resolution of the picture is 1,920 vertical pixels by 1,080 horizontal pixels and p stands again for progressive scanning. This format works on the same principle as 720p; the only difference is that in this type there are more pixels and the resolution is better.

I hope this clears up. Currently there are only a couple of TV that actually have 1080p but there seems to be no content for 1080p at the moment.

Diamond · 16-09-2005, 12:32 PM

Okay that helps me understand things much better, but it didn't answer my question.

Cybergig1 · 16-09-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond

But I really need the answer to this: between HDTV ready and having it built in. Which is better to have?

I'm looking to know if there is a difference? Not just cost wise, but visually and technical wise. Thanks.

Go ahead and get it with the HD built in bro. It'll be easier for you in the long run. "Technically" though either would look the same if you had an HD box for the HDTV Ready one. But its the same its just instead of buying the TV with an HDtuner built in your buying an external one for a ready tv. So your better off buying one already built in, stay away from the HD ready ones. That help?

keikdasneak · 16-09-2005, 02:49 PM

1080p Is going to be decent edition if you ask me, i have played games with 1080i and 1080p with my pc G70 same chip in ps3 sept for i can two (SLI) and there is a huge difference in detail even from 720p to 1080p huge jump so saying 1080p is useless is just plain out insane. Trust me from my experince 1080i has nothing on 1080p. My games fly though this setting even with 4xantialising and 16x atrofiltering.

Diamond · 16-09-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybergig1

Go ahead and get it with the HD built in bro. It'll be easier for you in the long run. "Technically" though either would look the same if you had an HD box for the HDTV Ready one. But its the same its just instead of buying the TV with an HDtuner built in your buying an external one for a ready tv. So your better off buying one already built in, stay away from the HD ready ones. That help?

Yeah, ok, thanks dude. I just wasn't sure if there was a performance difference. I had no idea what I was looking for. So I really just need to find a moniter with at least 720p.

Anything else I should be aware of? Like that ghosting stuff?

And, keikdasneak, that's great, but did you read the post about the PS3 system not even being able to utilize it without chopping to crap?

If you weren't refering to the PS3, just the resolution in general, then I apologize.

keikdasneak · 17-09-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond

Yeah, ok, thanks dude. I just wasn't sure if there was a performance difference. I had no idea what I was looking for. So I really just need to find a moniter with at least 720p.

Anything else I should be aware of? Like that ghosting stuff?

And, keikdasneak, that's great, but did you read the post about the PS3 system not even being able to utilize it without chopping to crap?

If you weren't refering to the PS3, just the resolution in general, then I apologize.

yeah i read that, but thats a bunch of crap, it wont chop up, if my games dont chop up on my pc it wont chop on the ps3, same card and plus ps3 has cell for a processor. Trust me 1080p wont chop up on ps3, if it did they wouldn't even bother putting 1080p on ps3.