The thing that people don't realize is

Wingman1977 · 15-03-2006, 11:58 AM

Sony is going to lose a lot of customers who own a PS2 that are not going to buy a PS3. I'm not talking about the Sony fanboys (maybe 1% of them) but I'm talking about the average casual gamer and parents who buy thier kids video games. When the holidays roll around (this holiday) when they are going to buy a console for thier kid (or kids) and see the PS3 (if one can be found because with a woldwide launch their are going to be shortages) and then look at the price they are going to be turned off and by a 360 or a Revolution. Not to mention the prices of the games since they are going to be on blu-ray ($80 and up anyone?).They'll end up buying a 360 (which by that time, a price drop would have happened) or even a Nintendo Revolution (if the price is really low like speculation is stating). Sorry Sony, but you are going to lose a lage user base.

KH0RNE · 15-03-2006, 12:07 PM

I agree with every thing you said but the part about the 360 price drop that will not happen especially if the PS3 is more expensive, and it probably will be, there just is no reason to drop the price.

KH0RNE · 15-03-2006, 12:10 PM

But you know, if MS did drop the 360 price it would probably be the final nail in sonys Coffin

Wingman1977 · 15-03-2006, 12:11 PM

I think there still is. The more cheaper the 360 is, the more reason people will buy it. There are people who won't buy a 360 now (besides that they can't find it even though you can if you look hard enough) due to the price. If the price drops $100 (premium $299 and core $199 if it's still around but who knows) people will jump all over it.

Scotracer · 15-03-2006, 01:02 PM

Or what they could do is if the HD DVD drive peripheral is launched, they could bundle that in and charge the current price for one. That would really give something for Sony to think about since they will have fewer advantages/features to brag about and still be the huge price difference in the two systems.

And the shortages will be so much more widespread than the 360 launch because of the real lack of IBM chips and Blu-ray drives available. Sony are making a big mistake having a worldwide launch, even more so than the Xbox 360.

NVR 20 · 15-03-2006, 01:14 PM

yea i agree with all of you. wen holiday season comes around, the options will be high priced PS3 or a equally good or better next round of 360 games and graphics and accessories.

Wingman1977 · 15-03-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ScotRacer

Or what they could do is if the HD DVD drive peripheral is launched, they could bundle that in and charge the current price for one. That would really give something for Sony to think about since they will have fewer advantages/features to brag about and still be the huge price difference in the two systems.

And the shortages will be so much more widespread than the 360 launch because of the real lack of IBM chips and Blu-ray drives available. Sony are making a big mistake having a worldwide launch, even more so than the Xbox 360.

Don't count on that happening. With them bundling the HD-DVD peripheral with the 360 for just $400.

Xtrm Liability · 15-03-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingman77

Sony is going to lose a lot of customers who own a PS2 that are not going to buy a PS3. I'm not talking about the Sony fanboys (maybe 1% of them) but I'm talking about the average casual gamer and parents who buy thier kids video games. When the holidays roll around (this holiday) when they are going to buy a console for thier kid (or kids) and see the PS3 (if one can be found because with a woldwide launch their are going to be shortages) and then look at the price they are going to be turned off and by a 360 or a Revolution. Not to mention the prices of the games since they are going to be on blu-ray ($80 and up anyone?).They'll end up buying a 360 (which by that time, a price drop would have happened) or even a Nintendo Revolution (if the price is really low like speculation is stating). Sorry Sony, but you are going to lose a lage user base.

I tend to agree with these lines of thinking. I believe this downfall will be the reality for the first couple years for Sony.

Eothein · 15-03-2006, 02:42 PM

Don't kid yourself guys.

PS3 will rule this xmas, fact.

Just look at Xbox360 it cost around $600 (bundles) at launch and it was the number 1 thing to get while the ps2 was only $200 (bundles) tops, people want the new thing and when Christmas turns up people will want the new Playstation, coupled with the fact its a Blu Ray player it will be flying off the shelves, high price or not people go to extra efforts at Christmas. And Sony said they will stop most of the shortages by producing 1 million a month, IIRC that begins in autumn times.

But lets face it first generation Sony items aren’t renowned for their quality, so while Johnny Sony-fanboy will be ranting and raving over the PS3 just think we will playing, Gears of War etc.

Wingman1977 · 15-03-2006, 02:43 PM

It' gonna rule Christmas all right. With $3000 plus bundles. Also, I will not believe anything Sony says about quatities. Anyone remembered when Sony said that there was gonna be 1 million units at launch for the PS2? How many acutally showed up at launch? 500,000. So as far as Sony say about quantaties don't believe it until it's physically there.

camwilson04 · 15-03-2006, 03:17 PM

i am realli startin wonder how much th ps3 gonna cost... they said its not gonna be cheap before they said it had a 60gb hd???

Grindstone · 15-03-2006, 04:11 PM

I think there will be price drop, but not in the true sense, i.e., I think there will still be $399 360 systems, but it will come bundled with one or two crappy games (think Kameo, PDZ, maybe a racing game...). But since the PS3 will be at MINIMUM $425 (per today's press release), the better deal for the casual consumer will be the 360 bundle.

Let us be reminded that all PS3 games will be on Blu-ray format discs, regardless of size. This will be more expensive for the casual consumer as well.

Then, as some of you may have noted on the front page, analysts are thinking Halo 3 may be slated to launch during the PS3 birthing. Imagine if Bill Gates was right. Think of that now, how much trouble that could cause for Sony? Even if it only affected 10% of sales for Sony. That is still huge.

Wingman1977 · 15-03-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

I think there will be price drop, but not in the true sense, i.e., I think there will still be $399 360 systems, but it will come bundled with one or two crappy games (think Kameo, PDZ, maybe a racing game...). But since the PS3 will be at MINIMUM $425 (per today's press release), the better deal for the casual consumer will be the 360 bundle.

Let us be reminded that all PS3 games will be on Blu-ray format discs, regardless of size. This will be more expensive for the casual consumer as well.

Then, as some of you may have noted on the front page, analysts are thinking Halo 3 may be slated to launch during the PS3 birthing. Imagine if Bill Gates was right. Think of that now, how much trouble that could cause for Sony? Even if it only affected 10% of sales for Sony. That is still huge.

Something to think about.

Sharky · 15-03-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

Then, as some of you may have noted on the front page, analysts are thinking Halo 3 may be slated to launch during the PS3 birthing. Imagine if Bill Gates was right. Think of that now, how much trouble that could cause for Sony? Even if it only affected 10% of sales for Sony. That is still huge.

Yes it is! Halo 3 being released around the time of the PS3 launch would definitely steal some of Sony's thunder.

Gamerkid360 · 15-03-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharky

Yes it is! Halo 3 being released around the time of the PS3 launch would definitely steal some of Sony's thunder.

Shotty · 15-03-2006, 05:41 PM

The smart thing for MS to do is to work all three factories and overstock all the stores and once the ppl wanting the x360 have already got one, there will be the causal gamer thats waiting to see which system is better that is when Halo 3 should lanch. There is no point releasing Halo 3 in winter time since ppl are already gonna end up getting 360 since ps3 are gonna be sold out. They should release it like march next year when ps3 are just starting to roll into stores.

Grindstone · 15-03-2006, 07:08 PM

I don't know, Shotty. Though I think your opinion has merit, there is one factor that is stupid, but salient: Halo launches in November. Both games did, just like the Xbox consoles themselves. Why? Because 't'is the season'. Xmas sales.

And lets just look a few other tidbits: Bungie has stated (after the release of Halo 2) that Halo 3 is not their "next project." Well you know why? Because they haven't even started their next project. They've been working on Halo 3 since they figured out Halo 2 was left open for a sequel. If that theory is true, then they have been working on Halo 3 for longer than we have supposed and it could be ready for a November launch to coincide with all the previous launch dates, and subsequently, the "global" launch pf the PS3.

Okay, that aside. For those of us who vigilently follow Bungie.net, we all know that Bungie was moved into a bigger facility and supposedly boosted their staff up by ~60 people (I think that was the number...). I believe that Bill Gates was really adamant about Halo 3 launching during the PS3 launch, but could not accurately gauge when that was. So, Bungie was geared up to coincide with whichever date Sony choose to launch. The drawback was that Bill failed to keep his mouth shut and blundered not only the Halo 3 secret (as if it really were a secret), but gave Sony a cordial "heads-up" on their plan. He should read Sun Tzu's Art of War. Perhaps Msoft knew before hand, but November is perfect for a Halo 3 launch.

We all know Halo is the biggest seller for the 360. What better tool to help move 360 consoles off shelves then the best app for the 360 while the PS3, while being obviously more expensive, fails to meet the graphics Halo 3 displays?

Nuts, I am way off thread topic.

Anyway, I am not saying Halo 3 will stiffle PS3, but lets say that MSoft dropped the console price just $25, adds a free game like PDZ and launches Halo 3 one week prior to the PS3 launch. The Halo 3 game has graphics that are unparalleled to anything on the PS3 by a long shot, has a strong online pressence, and is $10 cheaper because the Blu-ray format. Remember that most PS2 owners are casual players, not hardcore nor diehards. Which is going to appear better to you? They near $500 console with obligatory Blu-ray with no great games and an additional HDD cost? Or the beautiful 360 and Halo 3?

Wingman1977 · 15-03-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

I don't know, Shotty. Though I think your opinion has merit, there is one factor that is stupid, but salient: Halo launches in November. Both games did, just like the Xbox consoles themselves. Why? Because 't'is the season'. Xmas sales.

And lets just look a few other tidbits: Bungie has stated (after the release of Halo 2) that Halo 3 is not their "next project." Well you know why? Because they haven't even started their next project. They've been working on Halo 3 since they figured out Halo 2 was left open for a sequel. If that theory is true, then they have been working on Halo 3 for longer than we have supposed and it could be ready for a November launch to coincide with all the previous launch dates, and subsequently, the "global" launch pf the PS3.

Okay, that aside. For those of us who vigilently follow Bungie.net, we all know that Bungie was moved into a bigger facility and supposedly boosted their staff up by ~60 people (I think that was the number...). I believe that Bill Gates was really adamant about Halo 3 launching during the PS3 launch, but could not accurately gauge when that was. So, Bungie was geared up to coincide with whichever date Sony choose to launch. The drawback was that Bill failed to keep his mouth shut and blundered not only the Halo 3 secret (as if it really were a secret), but gave Sony a cordial "heads-up" on their plan. He should read Sun Tzu's Art of War. Perhaps Msoft knew before hand, but November is perfect for a Halo 3 launch.

We all know Halo is the biggest seller for the 360. What better tool to help move 360 consoles off shelves then the best app for the 360 while the PS3, while being obviously more expensive, fails to meet the graphics Halo 3 displays?

Nuts, I am way off thread topic.

Anyway, I am not saying Halo 3 will stiffle PS3, but lets say that MSoft dropped the console price just $25, adds a free game like PDZ and launches Halo 3 one week prior to the PS3 launch. The Halo 3 game has graphics that are unparalleled to anything on the PS3 by a long shot, has a strong online pressence, and is $10 cheaper because the Blu-ray format. Remember that most PS2 owners are casual players, not hardcore nor diehards. Which is going to appear better to you? They near $500 console with obligatory Blu-ray with no great games and an additional HDD cost? Or the beautiful 360 and Halo 3?

Very good points.

Jay2984 · 15-03-2006, 08:10 PM

This all could be better news for MS than we know, I think more and more people will be buying 360's now since the news of the PS3 came out. It didnt sound as bad waiting a few months for one now its an 8 month wait, expect more casual gamers to become MS fans.