The Rev's Horsepower...

Sharky · 31-03-2006, 09:28 AM

On paper the Revolution barely trumps the original Xbox... but I'm sure the Big N's new system will definitely have a bite.

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/699/699118p1.html

Don_Rico · 31-03-2006, 10:28 AM

I think they have something in store for E3, anyways, they better have.

Wingman1977 · 31-03-2006, 10:51 AM

It doesn't matter how powerful the console is. It's up to the developers to learn how to master the hardware. A console could be the most powerful out there and if the devlopers don't master the hardware, the console is doomed.

Shotty · 31-03-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wingman77

It doesn't matter how powerful the console is. It's up to the developers to learn how to master the hardware. A console could be the most powerful out there and if the devlopers don't master the hardware, the console is doomed.

*cough* SONY *cough* LOL

Grindstone · 31-03-2006, 11:51 AM

Those specs, though not "official" are daunting.

Lets just assume they are the real specs of the Revolution, what does that mean? Well, for one, there will not be multi-platform launches. For example, lets say that Rockstar launches GTA4:Grinstone's Back Yard for all systems, but the Rev. with it's 88Mb of RAM and weaker GPU aren't able to handle such a game, so they miss out. However, the Rev. will not be handling HD either... so there is some hope. But still, 88Mg of RAM? That is so 1999. The minimum should have been 128.

Another drawback will be graphics. Sure, we've all heard the laudations about RE:4 on the GC. But, RE:5 hasn't been announced for the REv., only the 360 and PS3. Even still, while the other 2 consoles are pushing the envelope graphically, the Rev. will be noticibly lagging behind. 5 years from now, there will be hardly a comparasion graphically.

Also, it has been made known that the Rev. will not be able to handle the Unreal Engine 3 either. What else will it not be able to handle? Does this mean the Rev. will not be able to give next-gen gaming due to its limitations? Well, sorta. Because the REv. is being built with basically yesterday's parts, it will not be as cutting edge as some of the other consoles. But if the Rev. cannot use up-to-date physic engines, how will this affect the gameplay? Afterall, Nintendo is all about the games, right? If they are building a sub-par console, aren't they shooting themselves in the foot?

What they do have is a niche market for potentially revolutionizing the gaming world because of the new controller. But the problem is, if it does do just that, you can bet MS and Sony will support their own Rev. controller soon too. Then what? You still have an inferior console and your "innovation" buzz word losses it's prestige. Let's just hope the controller catches on, because if it doesn't, then how many will buy a Rev. knowing it isn't going to compete with, nor get the games the other 2 consoles have? The back catalog of games is intriguing, but only for nostalgia reasons -- I don't need to play FF1 or SMB1,2,3 again.

Don_Rico · 31-03-2006, 12:01 PM

Great post, Grindstone.

joshcisn · 31-03-2006, 12:23 PM

Well do you see any GTA on the Game Cube lol. Don't think so. Why? Because the vast majority of the games for the Game Cube are geared towards younger children. Most parents get the Game Cuber over a Xbox or PS2 because the games are more suited to their liking. Then when the kids get older they make the switch to Xbox or PS2.

That's not saying ONLY kids play the Game Cube. I had one for a long time for Mario Kart: Double Dash and Super Mario Sunshine. Got a DS and Mario Kart DS now so I traded in the Game Cube for some credits that I applied towards some 360 stuff.

Shotty · 31-03-2006, 12:31 PM

Unlike MS and Sony that have back-up methods of making money such as the Microsoft Windows or the Sony Bravaria TVs, nintendos only method of making money is through gaming hardware. So unlike MS and Sony, nintendo cant build an expensive console and then price it cheaper hoping to make that money back through game sales. Plus MS and PS3 are already or I mean about to battle it out for high performance gaming machine and it makes no sense for Nintendo to try to join that battle. If nintendo doesnt make a profit then its impossible for it see another generation past the revolution because of lack of funding. Most of the games for the xbox 360 and playstation 3 are big budget games that require a lot of money to make so developers are gonna make games that target an audience with greater numbers which are 18 to 35 or something. This means the games are gonna be rated T or M. Nintendo takes advantage of that by releaseing games that rated G and PG so the younger aged population if they want to game have to buy the revolution. Also note that the younger population dont care about HD this and Teraflop that. Its only the style of gameplay that matter for them, which is why nintendo doesnt have to build a huge performance machine to be succesful.

QuantuM · 31-03-2006, 01:20 PM

First of all Ninendo is probably one of the last manufactuers to make a console and not lose money on the system like Sony & M$ does. I think that the games that were multi platformed and worth playing didnt do to well on the gamecube so its not their main concern. Because if you think about it, if your into high end gaming with state of the art physics engines then odds are your going to have a 360 or a PS3 along with your rev. So your not going to pick up that game for the rev that is out on the 360 or PS3. Your getting the rev for their exclusive games. They are in their own market. Thats just my .02

Shotty · 31-03-2006, 02:19 PM

Nintendo should have never told the developers the specs to the system. Its like buying a civic, you dont buy it for the power you buy it for the excellent price and quality. If your buying a ferrairi then you get into the specs about horsepower, 0 to 60 and all that.

Grindstone · 31-03-2006, 02:27 PM

Regarding your .02, QuantuM; though I have no doubts that the Rev. will be regulated to a secondary console since it cannot stand up to the MS & Sony, I think you over estimate the number of people willing or able to pick a second console so casually.

Sony started making money on their console eventaully -- took a few years, but it happened. Since Nintendo has always made money on consoles, it seems a little short sighted of them to make the Revolutions with the information provided in the above cited website. You would think that they would see beyond the current specs and make a console with some future potential. As it were, 3rd party support will have to develop games for last century's specs -- kinda counter-intuitive come 2009.

Nevertheless, it is my hope that these are not the system specs for the Rev. Sure, it'll cost less and my electric bill will be lower if I use it instead of the other 2, but really, I think it is too damaging to have those low numbers for a console with a 5 year lifespan.

Sharky · 03-04-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Grindstone

Sony started making money on their console eventaully -- took a few years, but it happened. Since Nintendo has always made money on consoles, it seems a little short sighted of them to make the Revolutions with the information provided in the above cited website. You would think that they would see beyond the current specs and make a console with some future potential. As it were, 3rd party support will have to develop games for last century's specs -- kinda counter-intuitive come 2009.

Nevertheless, it is my hope that these are not the system specs for the Rev. Sure, it'll cost less and my electric bill will be lower if I use it instead of the other 2, but really, I think it is too damaging to have those low numbers for a console with a 5 year lifespan.

I completely agree! I would hope that the final specs are quite a bit different, although to sell it for $200 -$250 and make a decent profit, these specs are probably right on... or at least relatively close to the Rev's final specs. But I guess we'll see...

QuantuM · 03-04-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharky

I completely agree! I would hope that the final specs are quite a bit different, although to sell it for $200 -$250 and make a decent profit, these specs are probably right on... or at least relatively close to the Rev's final specs. But I guess we'll see...

I think they are too, thats why i wouldnt mind having it as a second console. Plus my GF loves all the old mario games (plays my PSP w/ NES emulator all the time) so im sure we would have fun with that.

(CC) · 08-04-2006, 07:07 PM

Um, everyone bear in mind Nintendo take a PROFIT everytime they sell a console. Sony and Microsoft go further into the red, because they sell at a loss, choosing to make thier money through software sales.

Last gen, Gamecube and software made millions while Microsoft with software LOST billions. So who was the real winner?

The rev will be a success, because they will make money, regardless.

However, say, 3 years from now, when PS3 and 360 really get into thier stride, creating some of the most lifelike and immersive games ever, will you be happy with your barely superior to Xbox graphically console? Bare in mind the custom disc size limits content. So youre going to see less content in the Revs games than were in this gens games on the Xbox and PS2s most packed games.

If the softwares pretty fun and the hardwares cheap as chips, I mean 110quid or less, I may pick one up. However with my 360, and all its horsepower and capabilites, I cant see myself being too fussed to in the end.

CrAzYAmerican12 · 08-04-2006, 08:43 PM

I personally don't think Nintendo can sell the revo for anything for than 200. 250 bucks, and for 50 more, you could by a core 360.

I think the reason MS did this two spu's thingy is so they could compete with Nintendo at a lower price. By the time the Revo launches, the 360 core just might be cheap enough to produce to compete with the revo.

rite now, I'm not terribley impressed with the revolution. The only game I would think bout gettin on it would be super smash bros. All other games I like come out on the 360.

Jeet · 08-04-2006, 11:49 PM

Nintendo will stick it out this generation because its gonna be able to offer gaming for a much cheaper price, while it can't compete graphically, its still gonna sell like hot cakes cause not too many ppl are willing to spend a minimum of $400 on a system and game to start with