News article on blu-ray in Ps3

Glock 19 · 05-10-2005, 06:43 PM

Here you go. Maninly about Blu-ray but brings up PS3.
http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=28272

jag1491 · 05-10-2005, 06:46 PM

nice find...

Diamond · 05-10-2005, 07:25 PM

I'm sticking with DVD's. Changing formats as soon as they settle in is starting to get annoying.

tkd_guy · 05-10-2005, 07:35 PM

Same as the attempt of progress in CD's a few years back, if anyone can recall that.

P Mack · 05-10-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond

I'm sticking with DVD's. Changing formats as soon as they settle in is starting to get annoying.

Yeah. Peolpe don't see DVD still has a long life to go. Why need Blu-Ray? What are you going to do with 25 Gigs for a movie. I think we can keep DVD untill around 2008 or 09.

tkd_guy · 05-10-2005, 07:49 PM

Yea I second that. I just love the fact that I will be able use my 360 as a TiVo, considering I don't have one.

Diamond · 05-10-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pac-Mack15

Yeah. Peolpe don't see DVD still has a long life to go. Why need Blu-Ray? What are you going to do with 25 Gigs for a movie. I think we can keep DVD untill around 2008 or 09.

That's true... On top of that we barely fill a DVD up with a movie as it is. Unless we start packing them with really sloppy codecs I don't see us really needing more then a DVD for another what, 10 years? Especially with that new DVD format MS is coming out with.

Cybergig1 · 05-10-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond

That's true... On top of that we barely fill a DVD up with a movie as it is. Unless we start packing them with really sloppy codecs I don't see us really needing more then a DVD for another what, 10 years? Especially with that new DVD format MS is coming out with.

way not true my friend ^_^ the only reason they "fit" on a DVD now is because they compress the original material to force it to fit as you mentioned with codecs. But that means your taking something really great looking and no matter how great you make a conversion process your lowering the quality to fit it. When you do that you sometimes run into picture quality issues, ocassional hiccups, just all kinds of mess. Not to say DVD's are bad, far from it they are way better than standard TV. But they are in fact hindered by their size requirements. Take Lord of the Rings as an example. The main reason it is on two discs (the special edition and take into account just the movie itself is on 2 discs, the extras are on 2 additional discs) is that they gave it a far far superior picture by not compressing it as much. So it in turn didn't fit on the disc. Also they gave it a DTS track for the audio which if put on a normal movie usually means they dont put any extras on it if they try to fit on one disc. And I'd much rather by say a blu ray/HD DVD where its all on one discs instead of the 4 disc special editions which were like 40 dollars. I dont imagine even with those newer discs costing much it'll top that. So again while dvd's are wonderful and I'm not saying I'm ready or even willing to ever go swap them all out for something new, the fact is they aren't perfect and far from it. So I'm glad to see we'll have some things to keep the movie companies from having to turn out versions of their movie that are less than their best. And HD DVD/Blu Ray whichever wins will be the answer to that, once you get yourself an HDTV you'll see the difference even more. But I've seen how even on good old standard TV's you can see the picture quality increase on a disc where they do less compression. (like those superbit titles which basically is all movie no extras to get more room) So I really really look forward to the future where you get to see movies with little to no compression having to be done when they are transferred to discs. In the end we the consumer will get a better quality on our purchased movies and the experience will be that much better I promise

seeing is definitely believing for this subject

three-sixty · 06-10-2005, 02:39 AM

Blu-ray will cost a sh*tload of money for an every day person. Blu-ray New releases will cost U$40+ nearly double than what you would expect to pay for a new release now.
Blu-ray will only appeal to hardcore movie buffs who have lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

NukeAssault · 06-10-2005, 06:38 AM

I believe it was Peter Moore that said it would cost a fortune to the consumer. Like 1,000 just for the blueray drive, of course not including everything else.

Cybergig1 · 06-10-2005, 06:49 AM

how much do you guys think DVD's cost when they came out?

players were over a grand in fact for a very long time. Until the PS2 came out they didn't drop in price very drastically at all. But after a large amount of people had the players via the PS2 and people started buying up DVD's the prices on everything came down. Now with this in mind not saying HD DVD or Blu ray will be "cheap" when they come out. But the faster they come out the faster they'll drop in price. It'll take about 2+ years for it to come down to a price range thats the norm for us. So the sooner they come out the sooner it'll start to drop so that eventually it will be affordable. You guys only think about the here and now not about down the road. Not like I have that kind of money to throw around either. But people acted just like you are now about DVDs. But I dont hear any complaint now. So again stop thinking about 2 days into the future. Its not like we have to buy those things now anyways. Them coming out doesn't mean we'll be forced to buy them. As both Blu ray and HD DVD drives cost a bundle right now even though the discs prices are far different right now the drives are still expensive. Only reason Peter didn't mention the HD DVD Drive being expensive was because well for obvious reasons lol its the same with all technology. Only the rich people had HD TV's back 5 years ago but now more and more people have them. Its always worked this way something new comes out and it'll filter down the pipeline

Arqentus · 06-10-2005, 07:59 AM

The reason why "Lord of the Rings" is over 2 dvd's is becouse you cant put a movie that long on a dvd widout overcompressing it.

But, DVD has more life in it then most think. I said it before, if they switch to h.264 instait of mpeg2 ( what is a very very bad compression vs iq codec, compared vs current generation codecs ), they can add way more data on a dvd then before.

Hell, most dvd's wast most of there space anyways. Some TV quality movies trailers, some low quality deleted scenes, and wham, you lost 1 or 2GB already. Pack the same in a newer codec, and all of a suddent, its maybe 250mb a 500mb used for those same movies. Same with the main movie. You can fit 720p/1080p onto a dvd widout problems using the newer codecs.

So why move to a new dvd format. Easy. Nobody has any writers for those, vlam, you just cut piracy in half or more. Hardware based encryption for those new media etc. While that last part can also be done with regulair dvd's, it still leaves the option open for every joe & jane to copy dvd's when the new encryption gets cracked.

And the fact that today they use more then 1 dvd. Its called marketing. Ho look, the special edition with 2 dvd's. But when you examin it,you find out that most of it fits in one dvd. My god, LOTR 4 dvd edition, that must hold a lot. More is still better in people's eyes ( for some strange reason ). O look, the special edition LOTR 1 Blu-ray dvd. Dont know, but it just doesent have the same bang does it?

Btw Cybergig1: People in the US have maybe lots of HDTV's, here in the EU your hardpressed to find people with HDTV's ( no surprise sinds there arent many digital tv stations, and the high prices of HDTV here ).

cablekiller · 06-10-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybergig1

way not true my friend ^_^ the only reason they "fit" on a DVD now is because they compress the original material to force it to fit as you mentioned with codecs. But that means your taking something really great looking and no matter how great you make a conversion process your lowering the quality to fit it. When you do that you sometimes run into picture quality issues, ocassional hiccups, just all kinds of mess. Not to say DVD's are bad, far from it they are way better than standard TV. But they are in fact hindered by their size requirements. Take Lord of the Rings as an example. The main reason it is on two discs (the special edition and take into account just the movie itself is on 2 discs, the extras are on 2 additional discs) is that they gave it a far far superior picture by not compressing it as much. So it in turn didn't fit on the disc. Also they gave it a DTS track for the audio which if put on a normal movie usually means they dont put any extras on it if they try to fit on one disc. And I'd much rather by say a blu ray/HD DVD where its all on one discs instead of the 4 disc special editions which were like 40 dollars. I dont imagine even with those newer discs costing much it'll top that. So again while dvd's are wonderful and I'm not saying I'm ready or even willing to ever go swap them all out for something new, the fact is they aren't perfect and far from it. So I'm glad to see we'll have some things to keep the movie companies from having to turn out versions of their movie that are less than their best. And HD DVD/Blu Ray whichever wins will be the answer to that, once you get yourself an HDTV you'll see the difference even more. But I've seen how even on good old standard TV's you can see the picture quality increase on a disc where they do less compression. (like those superbit titles which basically is all movie no extras to get more room) So I really really look forward to the future where you get to see movies with little to no compression having to be done when they are transferred to discs. In the end we the consumer will get a better quality on our purchased movies and the experience will be that much better I promise

seeing is definitely believing for this subject

True, but with the current mpeg-2 compression on dvd's, the difference between compressed and uncompressed is negligible. I don't care what movie makers say, a normal person won't be able to tell a difference. As far as blu-ray goes, it may be a good thing, but its WAY too soon to change formats. How long was VHS around? Over 20 years? And another thing, the more they try to stuff onto a little disc, the more succeptible to damage it becomes because of the close proximity of the pits. Sorry to rant, but I don't want to re-buy my large and expensive DVD collection just yet!

Cybergig1 · 06-10-2005, 08:34 AM

oh no I'm right there with you bud

I'm not even about to rebuy my DVD's. Especially since to me it seems you can only make semi new movies actually look "that" much better. Older movies are always going to look like older movies too. I mean some you see on DVD are just like bleh. But like I said I'm glad to see they'll have a solution for us in the years to come. And I am sure droves of people aren't going to go out buying those things, which is why I was saying its not like we'll be forced into a new format just because those are released. But I do look forward to movies that are being made presently eventually coming out on those discs. If you check a lot of DVD reviews you'll see a lot of them get really bad scores on their transfers to DVD from the original material. IGN is a good place to read it. Most of the ones that get a near perfect transfer are usually out of a two disc set since they had more room to work with, but its true you can find some movies that when you see say for instance underworlds original DVD release. If you check it against the special edition that was released later you can see the much improved visual quality of the film. Its those types of things I'll be looking forward too. And also the eventual transfer of all movies coming out being in true HD such as 1080i as opposed to 480p. That'll be a great day indeed

but even then I still wont rebuy my movies lol, I'll just get whatevers new at the time. Either way I wont be rushing out to buy one until they are putting players on the market that are running along the lines of the 200 dollar range

cablekiller · 06-10-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybergig1

oh no I'm right there with you bud

I'm not even about to rebuy my DVD's. Especially since to me it seems you can only make semi new movies actually look "that" much better. Older movies are always going to look like older movies too. I mean some you see on DVD are just like bleh. But like I said I'm glad to see they'll have a solution for us in the years to come. And I am sure droves of people aren't going to go out buying those things, which is why I was saying its not like we'll be forced into a new format just because those are released. But I do look forward to movies that are being made presently eventually coming out on those discs. If you check a lot of DVD reviews you'll see a lot of them get really bad scores on their transfers to DVD from the original material. IGN is a good place to read it. Most of the ones that get a near perfect transfer are usually out of a two disc set since they had more room to work with, but its true you can find some movies that when you see say for instance underworlds original DVD release. If you check it against the special edition that was released later you can see the much improved visual quality of the film. Its those types of things I'll be looking forward too. And also the eventual transfer of all movies coming out being in true HD such as 1080i as opposed to 480p. That'll be a great day indeed

but even then I still wont rebuy my movies lol, I'll just get whatevers new at the time. Either way I wont be rushing out to buy one until they are putting players on the market that are running along the lines of the 200 dollar range

You know, I'm not even sure about HD-DVD's. Unless they can come up with a player that can play both, I'll just stick to the plain DVD.

Cybergig1 · 06-10-2005, 09:50 AM

oh dont worry, one of these days (well years lol) they'll end that battle because one of the formats will lose and then the other will be the new standard. By the time any of us would even consider buying a new age player the format will have been long over with the loser being long dead

but yeah a lot of the players they will later on down the line would play both old DVDs and the new formats. You know how they are they love to make players like that just so they can charge more lol

Grindstone · 06-10-2005, 02:13 PM

It took more than 15 years for the VHS to fall under $100. The DVD player took 4 years to fall under $100. Considering that the Blu-ray player is supposedly over $1000, it may be a while before the masses pick one up for cheap.

I do not see either HD-dvd nor Blu-ray winning in the end. Matter-of-factly, I see people streamlining movies from the internet onto their media player (the 360? gasp!), paying a nominal viewing fee, saving the movie onto the expandable hardrive, and getting rid of all those VHS and DVD collections to make space for something else. I see this as a much more efficient method rather than having everyone go out and buy a new player and DVD format.

P Mack · 06-10-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybergig1

way not true my friend ^_^ the only reason they "fit" on a DVD now is because they compress the original material to force it to fit as you mentioned with codecs.

I may have not read the whole post but They can fit movies on to DVD without compression. You basicly saying that you can't fit a movie on to VHS because you can't fit one on DVD. When DVD first came out they did not have as many special features or extras. Just seen selection, language and well... the movie. They now compress movies for the features and extras. I'm not trying to argue, but you still wouldn't need another format untill 2008 at the earliest.