The Wii was a fake at E3

[Superior Grant]

Originally Posted by MH_prophet

Acquiesce,
Alright, the 360 has a number of innovations over the xbox, the most prominent of witch I would say is the Marketplace. It's true that Sony picking up motion sensing technology says something significant about Wii's control. But did Sony not also pick up an xbox live style of online play? About this whole "souped-up" deal, developers on the whole say the Wii is roughly 1.5 - 2 times as powerful as GC, and Wii development kits are based on those of the GC. In light of this, I would say the term "souped-up" is applicable. Listen, I'm as excited as anyone for the Wii, and I really do think the controller will offer unprecedented fun and immersion. I just don't want you to think that Nintendo are the only ones changing up gaming for the better.

theyre not the only ones of course, but they seem to be the ones making the most significant steps. sony and m/s are playing it safe, and if it were just them everything would move predictably - becoming more and more of an 'entertainment hub'.

i just dont like this term 'souped up'. grindstone brought it in, in a derogotory way, as if because the grapics are only slightly improved then the whole console is 'souped up'. Whereas im saying theyve developed in different ways, just because the wii has developed less in the area the other 2 have does not mean it's just a "souped up" last gen console.

True, I could recommend you to a decent Nintendo fanboy site if you need one

i'm clearly not a nintendo fanboy, otherwise i wouldnt be here. but if im on a site where people are blindly microsoft, slam nintendo because the graphics are less and im spoken to like an idiot because i disagree, im going to argue the nintendo case - and believe me, ive done it the other way around on nintendo sites.

also, im happy to discuss with you our opinions on video gaming, but i'd appreciate it Grindstone if you didnt try to talk down to me

[KH0RNE]

Originally Posted by Acquiesce 360

i'm clearly not a nintendo fanboy, otherwise i wouldnt be here. but if im on a site where people are blindly microsoft, slam nintendo because the graphics are less and im spoken to like an idiot because i disagree, im going to argue the nintendo case - and believe me, ive done it the other way around on nintendo sites.

Are you sure you are not a Nintendo fanboy? I mean why didn’t you just call the 360 Xbox 1.5?
I really wonder if you actually have a 360. I have both an Xbox and a 360, now I can’t speak for everybody else here but to me the two are like night and day.

Oh and what kind of comments did you expect on a 360 site?

[Superior Grant]

Originally Posted by KH0RNE

Are you sure you are not a Nintendo fanboy? I mean why didn’t you just call the 360 Xbox 1.5?
I really wonder if you actually have a 360. I have both an Xbox and a 360, now I can’t speak for everybody else here but to me the two are like night and day.

Oh and what kind of comments did you expect on a 360 site?

see what i mean?
anything positive about another console and a negative comment about 360 and im a 'opposition' fanboy.

yes, i am quite sure i own a 360. im also quite sure i have xbox live, take a look at me gamercard. im also sure i love my 360 and it went to a midnight launch. also not my avatar 'wii60' - the 60 comes from 360

but god forbid i can see positives in wii. im not saying wii is better, as 1, we dont know, and 2 its down to opinion, but i think it will have more of an impact on games, and i think the souped up comment was harsh!

[Blank]

Originally Posted by KH0RNE

Are you sure you are not a Nintendo fanboy? I mean why didn’t you just call the 360 Xbox 1.5?
I really wonder if you actually have a 360. I have both an Xbox and a 360, now I can’t speak for everybody else here but to me the two are like night and day.

Oh and what kind of comments did you expect on a 360 site?

I know for a fact Grant isn't a Nintendo fanboy. I've been on several websites with him for a number of years, and play on Xbox LIVE agaisnt him often (though not as often as we used to). In fact, he still has his original Xbox (correct me if I'm wrong), and if he was a Nintendo fanboy he wouldn't have bought the 360 on the day of release, would he?

It's all opinions. Both sides have different points on the matter, but ultimately (in my opinion) Wii will do more for gaming than the 360 or PS3 will. The fact that the PS3 has already copied one of Wii's ideas is proof enough. Granted, the 360 is more than just a souped-up Xbox, what with all it's multimedia functions and Xbox LIVE improvements, but compared to a whole new way of playing games, it's small-time.

As for the comments, we knew that it would be mainly 360-sided. After all, this is an xbox 360 website, just like a Sony website would be biased for Sony or a Nintendo website would be more for Nintendo. It doesn't mean that all members have to be like that, obviously, but we know what we're up against and it's our opinions.

[Grindstone]

i'm clearly not a nintendo fanboy, otherwise i wouldnt be here.

*sigh*

Acquiesce, how about you are not only a 360 fan, but also a Nintendo fan? I mean, obviously you are a 360 fan as we see your GT and 360 blog, but then, above that is Mario and the Wii, coupled with "60". If you are not a Wii fan, then your avatar is grossly unrepresentative and your defensive statements here are suspiciously misleading.

Also, feel free to go back and read all my posts in this thread, then tell me where I attacked Nintendo. Seems to be it is pretty objective yet supportive to me. I don't blindly endorse products that are vaporware, nor do I praise them until the proof is manifested in the pudding. In this case, the Wii is vaporware pudding.

Perhaps the reason you do not like the terminology "souped up" because that isn't a word. Soup is soup. Souped is probably still soup just misspelled. Semantics and etimology lessons aside, the Wii is barely better than the Xbox in terms of system specs:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/699/699118p1.html

As a matter of fact, the CPU clocked 4Mhz slower than the original Xbox according to that IGN article. Still, it will offer better visuals than the current generation, but will not support HDtv, nor Dolby 5.1, nor many other functions that the other 2 are offering. So, in essence, you will get what you pay for; a suped up Xbox/GC. We can label the other two super-charged versions of the older models.

Now, the Wii comes with a new, untested gaming format that *could* revolutionize gaming as we know it. However, the Powerglove and other motion-based controllers failed to do that so we can't say for sure whether this Wiimote will be the next big shizz-biscuit. It does look interesting, it does have potential, but will it revolutionize the gaming industry? Well, this is where your opinions come in.

Blank facetiously opinionated that since Sony copied Nintendo's controller, then it must a step in the right direction. And if your buddy jumps off a bridge... Also, when doesn't Sony copy? Furthermore, and for the last time, if it is the next shizz-biscuit, then Sony is already set to trump the Wii when that tech takes off, as the Wii, graphically speaking, will not be up to par with the PS3. Remember, the Wii does not have the rights to better gameplay -- any developer can make a fun game, regardless of what console it is. So if you have the PS3 with the Wiimote, 5.1 surround sound, life-like visuals and all those other bells and whistles, what does the Wii have over it?

Now I to look forward to playing the Wii. I know my roots. But I can't justifiably say it'll make gaming any better. I liked the Powerglove too, I felt like the Terminator whenever I would use it, but that tech didn't work out for gaming either. So, there you have my reasons for not blatantly stating the Wiimote is the next shizz-biscuit.

Lastly;

also, im happy to discuss with you our opinions on video gaming, but i'd appreciate it Grindstone if you didnt try to talk down to me.

You'll know when I talk down to you. At this point, I am still being cordial.

Cheers.

[MH_prophet]

This is a technicality, but I still think it's worth mentioning. The PS3 controller doesn't have the same tech as the Wiimote. It doesn't have the same range of motion or pointer functionalities, just motion sensing in general. Also, the difference between the powerglove and the Wiimote is that the powerglove was imperfect technology in a monsterous arm-devouring contraption that would scare away any consumer.

[Superior Grant]

Originally Posted by Grindstone

*sigh*

Acquiesce, how about you are not only a 360 fan, but also a Nintendo fan? I mean, obviously you are a 360 fan as we see your GT and 360 blog, but then, above that is Mario and the Wii, coupled with "60". If you are not a Wii fan, then your avatar is grossly unrepresentative and your defensive statements here are suspiciously misleading.

Also, feel free to go back and read all my posts in this thread, then tell me where I attacked Nintendo. Seems to be it is pretty objective yet supportive to me. I don't blindly endorse products that are vaporware, nor do I praise them until the proof is manifested in the pudding. In this case, the Wii is vaporware pudding.

Perhaps the reason you do not like the terminology "souped up" because that isn't a word. Soup is soup. Souped is probably still soup just misspelled. Semantics and etimology lessons aside, the Wii is barely better than the Xbox in terms of system specs:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/699/699118p1.html

As a matter of fact, the CPU clocked 4Mhz slower than the original Xbox according to that IGN article. Still, it will offer better visuals than the current generation, but will not support HDtv, nor Dolby 5.1, nor many other functions that the other 2 are offering. So, in essence, you will get what you pay for; a suped up Xbox/GC. We can label the other two super-charged versions of the older models.

Now, the Wii comes with a new, untested gaming format that *could* revolutionize gaming as we know it. However, the Powerglove and other motion-based controllers failed to do that so we can't say for sure whether this Wiimote will be the next big shizz-biscuit. It does look interesting, it does have potential, but will it revolutionize the gaming industry? Well, this is where your opinions come in.

Blank facetiously opinionated that since Sony copied Nintendo's controller, then it must a step in the right direction. And if your buddy jumps off a bridge... Also, when doesn't Sony copy? Furthermore, and for the last time, if it is the next shizz-biscuit, then Sony is already set to trump the Wii when that tech takes off, as the Wii, graphically speaking, will not be up to par with the PS3. Remember, the Wii does not have the rights to better gameplay -- any developer can make a fun game, regardless of what console it is. So if you have the PS3 with the Wiimote, 5.1 surround sound, life-like visuals and all those other bells and whistles, what does the Wii have over it?

Now I to look forward to playing the Wii. I know my roots. But I can't justifiably say it'll make gaming any better. I liked the Powerglove too, I felt like the Terminator whenever I would use it, but that tech didn't work out for gaming either. So, there you have my reasons for not blatantly stating the Wiimote is the next shizz-biscuit.

Lastly;



You'll know when I talk down to you. At this point, I am still being cordial.

Cheers.

1) yes i am a nintendo fan, i said "im not a nintendo fanboy

2)another pathetic attempt to go off the point and put people down by pointing out a mistaken spelling, when in fact it's not because no such word exists, so it can't be misspelt.

3) YES, graphically you could call it 'souped up' but i say PS3 and 360 are more applicable to this mysterious term "souped"/"suped" up. you may disagree but ive just told you my opinion. To me "suped up xbox" suggests its just an xbox with some generic improvement like a small graphical improvement. im saying this is totally untrue as it's primary control method is something totally different, whereas the 360/PS3 is essentially a graphical upgrade.

4) wii could fail, yes. but i think the fact that many developers are working on a totally new control scheme - which is the primary control scheme, says its having a large affect on gaming. and if it does have bugs, i'd expect someone, nintendo or not, will iron them out for a soon gen.

5) why is it so hard for you to have a discussion, instead of an argument? Trying to put people down? We have differing opinions on video gaming, yet you act like i'm some dickhead that you must attempt to humiliate. i was happy having a discussion. MH prophet seems to be managing. do you not think its quite childish and pathetic to come across pompus to someone because they disagree on videogaming?

6) I'd class 'suped up' as a derogotory term to nintendo.

i dont think theres anything left in this 'discussion', apart from perhaps you spell-checking my posts.

[Grindstone]

I read through my previous posts, it seems "dickhead" wasn't on my agenda. Sorry if you read into them too much. Nevertheless, if you want to be humiliated, I am here to facilitate that yearning.

Obviously reading comprehension is not your forté, otherwise, you would have realized a couple of things;

1. That "suped up" is not a derogatory term, which is really odd that you haven't picked up on that yet. Here is a link for educational purposes. Please see the verb usage under definition #2:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=suped

True, it is not a real word as of yet (but since D'oh made it into the dictionary...), but it is still a part of daily vocabulary and more importantly, a part of this discussion. Also note the correct spelling for this non-existent word, thankyouverymuch.

2. No where have I bashed Nintendo. I've proffered my opinion that it *could* be the next best thing, but at this point, I retain my judgement until I am able to experience it in action myself. I don't blindly support it. I guess that is a defining principle between a fan and a fanboy, wouldn't you agree...?

Let's look at your points...

#1 The jury is still out on that statement.

#2 Wasn't meant to insult you, it was more of an educational tool. But if learning is insultive to you, then I apologize. And I need to rethink getting into debates with people of your calibre.

On #3, this seems to be that semantics battle I have refered to ample times already, your understanding of the quasi-word "suped" is different than the general understanding. Refer back to the link provided. Again, you are diluting the PS3 and 360 and their total functionality.

Your #4 point has some validity, but the Wiimote could also be the next big Class Action suit for carpal tunnel syndrome, tendonitis, and chronic muscle fatigue. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. But I do agree with you for the most part.

I think your #5 was actually made into an argument by you, since your concept of "suped" is askew from the rest of the participants. I do know the difference between an argument and a discussion -- that comes easy for someone married (little jokey for you). Again, the disagreeing part is you and your perception of the word "suped". I've been supportive of Nintendo, just not avidly supportive like others. I am hoping that you will agree that we cannot know for certain the prowess that the Wiimote will offer.

#6 has already been addressed.

Now then, for the last time, and I hope you understand it, I'll delineate my stance on the Wii.

The Wii has a lot of potential to revolutionize the gaming industry, but it is too early to tell at this point. The console is no more than a suped up Xbox or GC considering the specs we have to date on this machine. The controller, on the other hand, is an innovative approach to gaming which hopes to successfully merge the Powerglove with the Duckhunt gun. We'll just have to wait and see whether it does change gaming as we know it.

Oh, and you wanted me to spell check your post. Here you go!

1) Yes I am a Nintendo fan, I said I'm not a Nintendo fanboy.

2)Another pathetic attempt to go off [unnecessary article removed] point and put people down by pointing out a mistake in spelling, when in fact it's not because no such word exists, so it can't be misspelt.

3) Yes, graphically you could call it 'souped up' but I say PS3 and 360 are more applicable to this mysterious term "souped"/"suped" up. You may disagree, but I've just told you my opinion. To me "suped up xbox" suggests it's just an xbox with some generic improvement like a small graphical improvement. I'm saying this is totally untrue as it's primary control method is something totally different, whereas the 360/PS3 is essentially a graphical upgrade.

4) Wii could fail, yes. But I think the fact that many developers are working on a totally new control scheme - which is the primary control scheme, says it's having a large affect on gaming. [Unnecessary conjunciton] If it does have bugs, I'd expect someone, Nintendo or not, will iron them out for a soon gen [?, please clarify].

5) Why is it so hard for you to have a discussion [unnecessary comma] instead of an argument? Trying to put people down? We have differing opinions on video gaming, yet you act like I'm some dickhead that you must attempt to humiliate. I was happy having a discussion. MH prophet seems to be managing. Do you not think it's quite childish and pathetic to come across pompus to someone because they disagree on videogaming?

6) I'd class 'suped up' as a derogatory term to Nintendo.

I dont think there's anything left in this "discussion", apart from perhaps you spell-checking my posts.

Ugg. Work on your grammar, that was too tedious. I could have revamped sentence structure to improve your argument, but decided against it. In truth, at least you are cohesive and intelligent enough to get your point across.

Anyway, we should let this rest as you so aptly put in your last sentence.

[Superior Grant]

Originally Posted by Grindstone

I read through my previous posts, it seems "dickhead" wasn't on my agenda. Sorry if you read into them too much. Nevertheless, if you want to be humiliated, I am here to facilitate that yearning.

Obviously reading comprehension is not your forté, otherwise, you would have realized a couple of things;

1. That "suped up" is not a derogatory term, which is really odd that you haven't picked up on that yet. Here is a link for educational purposes. Please see the verb usage under definition #2:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=suped

True, it is not a real word as of yet (but since D'oh made it into the dictionary...), but it is still a part of daily vocabulary and more importantly, a part of this discussion. Also note the correct spelling for this non-existent word, thankyouverymuch.

2. No where have I bashed Nintendo. I've proffered my opinion that it *could* be the next best thing, but at this point, I retain my judgement until I am able to experience it in action myself. I don't blindly support it. I guess that is a defining principle between a fan and a fanboy, wouldn't you agree...?

Let's look at your points...

#1 The jury is still out on that statement.

#2 Wasn't meant to insult you, it was more of an educational tool. But if learning is insultive to you, then I apologize. And I need to rethink getting into debates with people of your calibre.

On #3, this seems to be that semantics battle I have refered to ample times already, your understanding of the quasi-word "suped" is different than the general understanding. Refer back to the link provided. Again, you are diluting the PS3 and 360 and their total functionality.

Your #4 point has some validity, but the Wiimote could also be the next big Class Action suit for carpal tunnel syndrome, tendonitis, and chronic muscle fatigue. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. But I do agree with you for the most part.

I think your #5 was actually made into an argument by you, since your concept of "suped" is askew from the rest of the participants. I do know the difference between an argument and a discussion -- that comes easy for someone married (little jokey for you). Again, the disagreeing part is you and your perception of the word "suped". I've been supportive of Nintendo, just not avidly supportive like others. I am hoping that you will agree that we cannot know for certain the prowess that the Wiimote will offer.

#6 has already been addressed.

Now then, for the last time, and I hope you understand it, I'll delineate my stance on the Wii.

The Wii has a lot of potential to revolutionize the gaming industry, but it is too early to tell at this point. The console is no more than a suped up Xbox or GC considering the specs we have to date on this machine. The controller, on the other hand, is an innovative approach to gaming which hopes to successfully merge the Powerglove with the Duckhunt gun. We'll just have to wait and see whether it does change gaming as we know it.

Oh, and you wanted me to spell check your post. Here you go!



Ugg. Work on your grammar, that was too tedious. I could have revamped sentence structure to improve your argument, but decided against it. In truth, at least you are cohesive and intelligent enough to get your point across.

Anyway, we should let this rest as you so aptly put in your last sentence.

Well I'd actually agree with a lot of your post there. Although I'm sorry, I can't help but view 'suped up' as a derogotory term, but fair enough you obviously don't mean it that way.

However, i would disagree with "mistake in spelling" that you inserted, as well as your failure to correct my mistake of beginning a sentence with "but" :P
kidding of course

btw i do know sentences start with capitals, i just dont bother on forums. just so you know

[MH_prophet]

Good to see that maelstrom of miscommunication (hey, alliteration!) is resolved.

[MAGIC STICK 07]

Who Cares! Nintendo Is Still Gonna Dominate Sony!

[Shane360]

ok no affense on the wii but THAT WAS FAKE! how was that real!