Podcast XXV: '08 Tale of the Tape

[Kona Palangi]

Originally Posted by Sir Charles

I am renting it because If I base it on the first one, it'll just gather dust and do **** all for months after I have finished single player on Insane. I played the multiplayer of GoW a few times and to be honest I'd rather play Undertow. I didn't praise MGS4, i'm just excited about it. It may suck, it may be unbelievable. I just don't know. Truth be told im looking forward to Gran Turismo 5 (full game) and God of War 3 more than any game.

Metal gear has always been about single player and my experiences with MSG + MSG2 on the PS2 are far far more enjoyable than ANY aspect of Gears of War. But again that just my opinion.

A thousand apologies Sir Charles I misunderstood your post. I just hope both games will have kick ass SP and Epic will get it together for a solid MP. If all goes well it will be a win-win for everyone.

[hollywood21639]

I'm really tired of hearing about how great MGS4 should be................like it's Jesus in disc form or something. The first 2 were good. Third one was garbage.

[Kona Palangi]

Originally Posted by Boost King

Also Kona, not having a dig at ya, but I didn't agree with your philosophy for buying a PS3. I am sorry, you cant despise a Corporation (ie Sony) yet still want to purchase one of its products. YOu cannot separate the product from the company. They are but one, and only exist with eachother, therefore, I disagree with your statement. Sorry dude.

I hate Budweiser but I'll still scoop up a 20 case when they're on sale for 16 sticks. It's similar to cutting off your arm in spite of your hand. I'm not going to allow Sony to alter or diminish my gaming experience especially games which are exclusively developed by third party companies. At $399 and the announcement of Resistance 2, the PS3 is more appealing than it once was. It would be foolish to dismiss Resistance 2 just because it's published by Sony. I'm an avid FPS gamer and I see nothing wrong with wanting the best FPS's available. If it were up to me nothing would be exclusive and we could purchase every game on any system. However, since that is not the case my hatred for Sony will have to take a back seat while video gaming rides shotgun. Also, the only thing Sony will get out of me is a console and a few games, all cross platform titles will be 360 bound. We're going to have to agree to disagree because I hate Sony yet I plan on buying Resistance 2 and possibly Killzone 2 so I guess you can despise a company and purchase one of their products. I hated Sony last generation as well and still bought a PS2 with God of War and I never once regretted it. God of War alone warrants a purchase.

[Sir Charles]

Originally Posted by Kona Palangi

It's similar to cutting off your arm in spite of your hand.

+30

[BRUTAL1TY]

Originally Posted by Kona Palangi

Hmm sound very scientific. You must have a secret laboratory of innovation as well.

lol ok sure. Metal Gear Solid has been around for years and has earned numerous awards and sold millions of copies. It's garnered a hell of a lot of praise. Gears of War has only been around for what is it now, 2 years? That's my point.

Could you provide me with a link, possibly a source which will prove, unequivocally, MGS4 will be longer than GoW2? MGS has been under development for eons and we still know very little about the Gears sequel. To go so far as to say "we all know" is quite frankly a joke. The bottom line is we don't know and I for one will not pretend I will. It could be much longer than Gears of War 2 or it could be shorter. Time will tell.

You don't need a link. MGS3 Snake Eater ran at around 25 hours to complete from what I remember. Gears of War was around 10-12. MGS is heavily reliant on story, Gears of War not so much. GoW2 may by all means completely surprise me, and have some sweetass story and a long singleplayer, but with the way recent sequels have gone on the 360, I don't feel that the SP will be too long.

You could have an assortment of well over 100 weapons if it made you hard, it all boils down to implementation and game play. At least with Gears we have a slight idea of what we may get while conversely, MGO might turn out to be a failure. It might turn out to be an incredible gaming experience. Until more information is released relevant to both online titles I will not jump to conclusions and ride the MG / GW bandwagon.

Fine.

[BRUTAL1TY]

Originally Posted by Boost King

Finally I'll add, the proof is in the pudding. Lets see how many players are playing this MGS after 18 months. GOW is currently no. 4 in Xbox live games. Not a bad effort given Position 1 and 2 are COD4 and Halo 3 respectively, and barely 5 months old too boot. 18 months is a loooooong time dude

I understand what you are saying here and it's possible things may go that route, but you have to factor in that XBL is significantly better than PSN (as a PS3 owner, I'm comfortable saying that lol), so I would presume most games that come out the 360 would receive more multiplayer playtime

[Kona Palangi]

Originally Posted by BRUTAL1TY

lol ok sure. Metal Gear Solid has been around for years and has earned numerous awards and sold millions of copies. It's garnered a hell of a lot of praise. Gears of War has only been around for what is it now, 2 years? That's my point.

I share your point. You state MGS is held to a higher standard based solely on its longevity and success. If it is held to such a higher standard what the **** happened to MGS 3? Given time Gears of War will be well respected as a franchise similar to MGS although they are completely different games. For an entirely new IP Epic did a great job with their first Gears of War which is quite an accomplishment unto itself. Also, with the upgrade to the Unreal engine and preliminary physics footage courtesy of the GDC, it is apparent they are aiming high which is always a good thing. I doubt Cliffy B would release anything that he felt was substandard or mediocre.

Originally Posted by BRUTAL1TY

You don't need a link. MGS3 Snake Eater ran at around 25 hours to complete from what I remember. Gears of War was around 10-12. MGS is heavily reliant on story, Gears of War not so much. GoW2 may by all means completely surprise me, and have some sweetass story and a long singleplayer, but with the way recent sequels have gone on the 360, I don't feel that the SP will be too long.

You are basing this assumption through causation. Just because A happens does not mean B will happen consequently or through natural process. It could be an extremely long game or it could be relatively short. We really do not know. I'm not about to declare the length of either game until I actually play it. I agree, MGS has always emphasized plot and included incredible depth to their story line and I can see why you would assume as much but I would much rather play each game and decide for myself rather than speculate. Both games will be good, both games are different, diversity is a great thing is it not? Suum cuique

[BRUTAL1TY]

Originally Posted by Kona Palangi

I share your point. You state MGS is held to a higher standard based solely on its longevity and success. If it is held to such a higher standard what the **** happened to MGS 3? Given time Gears of War will be well respected as a franchise similar to MGS although they are completely different games. For an entirely new IP Epic did a great job with their first Gears of War which is quite an accomplishment unto itself. Also, with the upgrade to the Unreal engine and preliminary physics footage courtesy of the GDC, it is apparent they are aiming high which is always a good thing. I doubt Cliffy B would release anything that he felt was substandard or mediocre.

I agree that Epic did a great job with GoW and will aim to do the same with GoW 2. I can't wait to get my hands on the sequel. Oh and dammit I forgot about that updated Unreal Engine video. Very impressive. I just hope that Epic makes GoW2 more than just style over substance this time. In that, the campaign is longer, the story more fleshed out, and that the MP gains some improvements. But hey I can't get all I want. We live in an imperfect world.

You are basing this assumption through causation. Just because A happens does not mean B will happen consequently or through natural process. It could be an extremely long game or it could be relatively short. We really do not know. I'm not about to declare the length of either game until I actually play it. I agree, MGS has always emphasized plot and included incredible depth to their story line and I can see why you would assume as much but I would much rather play each game and decide for myself rather than speculate. Both games will be good, both games are different, diversity is a great thing is it not? Suum cuique

I see your point. Touche.

[glebray]

this is getting pretty heated.

[BRUTAL1TY]

Heated? Reassess that assessment, glebray. It's just a good, old-fashioned discussion.

[glebray]

Sorry, I've reassessed all the reassessed assessments and you're right.

[BRUTAL1TY]

Good man.

[Wraith 413]

A very good podcast by the both of you. Scot's audio could stand to be louder or both voices more equally balanced, sound level wise. imo
I'm extremely excited for the upcoming games due this year, on both consoles, and would love to see the "rumored" price cuts by Sony and MS.

[Kona Palangi]

UPDATE: It seems I have made an unfortunate mistake via the latest Podcast. In it, I stated Fable 2 will support cooperative Xbox LIVE play. However, I have been informed it will only support local play.

[Kona Palangi]

UPDATE: It seems I am not the only person hot and bothered about GamePro's irresponsible editorial. A Podcast listener, Chad, was kind enough to provide me with a link which further discounts and refutes the authors claims regarding Call of Duty 4. It comes in the form of a great rebut by Jacob Chapel.


"You couldn't be blamed for believing that the Xbox 360 had the upper hand with this multiplayer-dominated game thanks to Xbox Live; however, superior execution on PlayStation 3 makes it the better version. Control preferences (or friends lists) may lead you to play on Xbox 360, but you simply cannot deny that Call of Duty 4's online functionality works better on PlayStation 3. Stable, dedicated servers are preferable to peer-to-peer networking any day of the week."

I will let Calen, a programmer for Infinity Ward that worked on Call of Duty 4, explain why the above is ever so blatantly false.

"We do not have dedicated, hosted, no-client servers on PS3 or 360. The PC game comes with a dedicated server executable for people to run if they want to set up a dedicated server, but the console game does not ... We choose the best host from the people in the match lobby, based on a ton of factors including bandwidth and everyone's ping to the host (it's got no relation to who was first in the lobby or anything like that.) Then that host serves as the server for that match. It's not "peer to peer" in the sense that clients don't run their own part of the server and send that gamestate around to each other over the net (which is what I personally think of when I hear "peer to peer".) But it's also not "dedicated" in the sense that most folks think of it." - Calen @ NeoGAF

Not only did they lie about the dedicated servers for the Playstation 3 version, but they are perpetuating the fallacy of "peer to peer" or P2P on Xbox Live.

GamePro vs. Reality: The Long Hard Shaft of Reality - Tweak3D.Net

HANDLED!!!

[Bobby Roc]

wow, handled indeed. Gamepro must be feeling real stupid right now.

[BRUTAL1TY]

God I ****ing hate GamePro

[IIJoshIII]

Torch the **** outta GamePro!!!!!! Who's with me!?!??!