What ever happened to the Podcasts?

[fortunzfavor]

Originally Posted by Kona Palangi

Actually, if you would prefer to continue this "argument" please do so in another thread. I may be wrong but last time I checked the thread title remains to be, "What ever happened to the Podcast" and not "IR, is it teh future?"

I recommended MS's possible interest in IR as a topic for that future podcast. I didn't start the argument over whether it was a valid control method. I just responded that argument.

[Kona Palangi]

Is it "make a case" or "making an argument"?

[fortunzfavor]

Originally Posted by Kona Palangi

Is it "make a case" or "making an argument"?

Lots of back and forths here, so what's "it" in this case?

Generally speaking, if I'm making an argument, it's in order to make a case. One case might have many arguments supporting it.

Also, for a topic that's not very commentary worthy, there sure was a lot said in this thread. Half of it wasn't said by me.

[Sir Charles]

Originally Posted by fortunzfavor

My point is that I already made that point. You're preaching to the choir.

Yet you said the following:

Originally Posted by fortunzfavor

IR aiming is an evolutionary step forward for game control in 3d environments

Aiming means the same as targetting you know.

[fortunzfavor]

Originally Posted by Sir Charles

Aiming means the same as targetting you know.

You would have "got me", except for 2 things. 1) IR aiming is not exclusive to the wii remote, as we both pointed out already. 2) "evolutionary" does not mean "revolutionary".

IR aiming is an evolutionary step forward for game contro. That doesn't exclude guncon or any earlier IR driven interface.

[Sir Charles]

What I cannot understand is how it is a step forward NOW when its been part of 3D games (mostly shooters) for a number of years. The fact of the matter is that even IF infrared is the way forward, the Wii is not. As of right now, IR hasn't evolved to the point of being a true substitute for a control pad with dual analog.

[Kona Palangi]

Originally Posted by fortunzfavor

Also, for a topic that's not very commentary worthy, there sure was a lot said in this thread. Half of it wasn't said by me.

Word Count:

Fortunz = 2,435
Joel = 507
Sir Charles = 818
Scotracer = 447

[IIJoshIII]

PWNT

[fortunzfavor]

I insist that you add Josh's word count to the list.

Originally Posted by Sir Charles

What I cannot understand is how it is a step forward NOW when its been part of 3D games (mostly shooters) for a number of years. The fact of the matter is that even IF infrared is the way forward, the Wii is not. As of right now, IR hasn't evolved to the point of being a true substitute for a control pad with dual analog.

What's different NOW is that MS is considering the design (see my original post). If anyone can nail it, they can. If anyone can bring a shooter that has it all to use it, they can.

Oh, and did I mention how very casual I think it is of you to not be able to pick out more than one target at a time. Hardcore is going to leave you behind man.

[Sir Charles]

Originally Posted by fortunzfavor

Oh, and did I mention how very casual I think it is of you to not be able to pick out more than one target at a time. Hardcore is going to leave you behind man.

I was in the Royal Marines and was taught to concentrate on one target, take him down, before moving onto the next. The squaddies always have your back.

But anyway thats real life, and this is gaming. It's also an internet forum, so I will quote the following:

Originally Posted by Kona Palangi

"Arguing via internet forums is like masturbating after being diagnosed with impotence"

[fortunzfavor]

I commend you for your service to your country as well as your image editing skills.

But I don't buy the nonsense about arguing being pointless, even on teh intarwebs. It's a good line, but only insofar as it shields the user from having to back up what they say. Every time I get on here, I learn something new from the likes of scot, and I like learning. Arguing is active learning if you do it right. I guess playing video games is pointless to some, but I like that too.

[axeman2008]

How long were you in the Marines for?


Also BUUUUUURRRRNNNZZZZ

[Sir Charles]

Its not wholly pointless, but it'll never alter anyones opinion. Even if you did that person would never admit to it.

Its good that you conduct yourself in an adult manner unlike some of the fools we get on here in a discussion, i'll give you that. All in all, this is what forums is all about and I commend you also.

Originally Posted by axeman

How long were you in the Marines for?

5 months training and a further 10 in active duty. But I was never deployed. Just spent most of the time getting pissed in Plymouth.

[fortunzfavor]

Originally Posted by Sir Charles

Its not wholly pointless, but it'll never alter anyones opinion. Even if you did that person would never admit to it.

I'll give you that.

One of the things I get out of it is the ability to hash out ideas more thoroughly than I could in my own head. Usually another person with another perspective can point to something I wouldn't have thought to address otherwise. It also forces you to consider what you're assuming and what you have a basis for, since person B might not assume the same things. Reaching a point where you can explain something better usually means understanding it better.

[axeman2008]

[quote=5 months training and a further 10 in active duty. But I was never deployed. Just spent most of the time getting pissed in Plymouth.[/quote]


Sounds like a good laugh. ( the drinking part of it anyway)

[Boost King]

****, I haven't been here for a day or so and look at all this crap.

Seriously Fortunz, go have a wank mate, you are unbeleivable.

WHo cares about who invented what. The comment originally made was about MS considering a Wii Mote like control system.

I simply kicked off by saying, I dont like it nor want it. Its just a gimmick.
For the record, if you were to sample the world, you'd probably find keyboard and mouse ranks first, followed by DUal analong, and last, wii mote controls.

And if you limit your survey to the last couple of years, there aint bugger all left on PC in terms of FPS anyway, that genre seems to be dominating consoles now. Strategy RTS games are the PC's bread n butter these days. So really, DUal Analog is definately the growing control method.

In terms of Wii controls, no one really has firstly made a kick ass FPS on 360 graphics wise, and control wise, its a real pain to develop the Wii mote to recognise movements correctly and translate those motions back on screen.

I dont know Fortunz if your a Wii fanboy or what, but it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, I like the wii too, for games like galaxy, brawl etc. But shooters in my opinion belong on the real machines, Xbox 360, PC and yes I'll include PS3 as well. Leave the wii for basic games, casual and cook off's with ya mum.

Thats the other reason I dont want Wii controls for 360. Cause Wii controls are to be used to play causual games on 360, and if anything MS wants to attract these gamers to 360, and start to cater for them. Personally I hope not, as if you recall, that was the main reason I stopped supporting Nintendo, which was because they stopped supporting the hardcore gamer and shifted focus to the casual gamer and now the wii is shovelware **** for casual crap.

So you cant blame me for feeling a bit pissed with the Big N for that move, as well as my current levels of fear that this may also be the fate of the 360!
God help us if it is.

Boost

[fortunzfavor]

Originally Posted by Boost King

WHo cares about who invented what. The comment originally made was about MS considering a Wii Mote like control system.

I don't care about who invented what, but so you know, I've repeatedly said Ninty didn't invent IR aiming. I was the one who brought up MS's consideration, and that's pretty much all I've written about here. All specific wiimote talk has just been brought up by others as proof that IR aiming doesn't work, or responded to by me with rebuttals or proofs of concepts why it does.

Maybe this invention argument you're referencing is in a different thread, or a different board. Let me know when you find it.

I simply kicked off by saying, I dont like it nor want it. Its just a gimmick.
For the record, if you were to sample the world, you'd probably find keyboard and mouse ranks first, followed by DUal analong, and last, wii mote controls.

The wiimote has been around for 18ish months. It has been unfairly slandered on the basis of mistakes it's company has made, and it has design problems not related to IR aiming. To wit, only a few countries in the world even have it. Korea won't get it until May. So your hierarchy is correct, it just doesn't have any relevance to this discussion about IR aiming and how MS can do it right and make it relevant.

And if you limit your survey to the last couple of years, there aint bugger all left on PC in terms of FPS anyway, that genre seems to be dominating consoles now. Strategy RTS games are the PC's bread n butter these days. So really, DUal Analog is definately the growing control method.

Who's arguing with you?

In terms of Wii controls, no one really has firstly made a kick ass FPS on 360 graphics wise, and control wise, its a real pain to develop the Wii mote to recognise movements correctly and translate those motions back on screen.

Who cares about motion controls? I'm not a fan of the accelerometer. It can be nice when used sparingly and carefully, but it's rarely used that way.

I dont know Fortunz if your a Wii fanboy or what, but it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, I like the wii too, for games like galaxy, brawl etc. But shooters in my opinion belong on the real machines, Xbox 360, PC and yes I'll include PS3 as well. Leave the wii for basic games, casual and cook off's with ya mum.

I posted here BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU. Let me say it again because apparently no one can see past my avatar (or understand it, since it actually makes fun of Wii). I WANT TO BE A 360 FAN. I WANT TO PLAY SHOOTERS ON 360. And the only part of it I don't like right now is dual analog. For me, there's something better, and MS appears to at least be considering it.

So uh, who the hell are you arguing with?

Thats the other reason I dont want Wii controls for 360. Cause Wii controls are to be used to play causual games on 360, and if anything MS wants to attract these gamers to 360, and start to cater for them. Personally I hope not, as if you recall, that was the main reason I stopped supporting Nintendo, which was because they stopped supporting the hardcore gamer and shifted focus to the casual gamer and now the wii is shovelware **** for casual crap.

So you cant blame me for feeling a bit pissed with the Big N for that move, as well as my current levels of fear that this may also be the fate of the 360!
God help us if it is.

Boost

If anyone can do it right, MS can. MS is the king of shooters, and right now, the king of core too, and with a new control method, I'd be pretty tempted to toss Wii out altogether. I like 2 things about Wii (probably less things than you like): 1) Zelda 2) the Wiimote. The wiimote is poorly designed (button placement and number, and the dpad), and that's something I expect MS to better with if they actually introduce something similar. I also expect that they'd see the potential for hardcore games, and unlike Nintendo they actually would cater to both the core and the casual instead of just saying they would.

If you don't want to read what I'm saying, don't. No one's forcing you to. I get it, I'm loquacious. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But will people stop assuming that I wrote was something I didn't write? I only assign opinions to people that they actually state, I even quote those opinions so they can see why I think what I think. All I'm asking for is the same level of consideration. Just blame me for stuff I actually say.

[Kona Palangi]

Originally Posted by fortunzfavor

I'm loquacious.

Agreed and on that note ... ~Closed~