How important is system bandwidth - Page 5

Diamond · 21-09-2005, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaun

My apologies that you can't read. I'm not trying to convert you into a PS3 fanboy, and really, as I said before, I could care less what you think. You've all told me many times the samethings, which I never really argued with.

Quit being so narrowminded. You, my friend, are being a fanboy.

Wow, so defencive. I seem to have hurt your feelings.

Now lets break some things down...

"My apologies that you can't read."
Neither can you, obviously. I stated I don't want to read your posts because it was tiring, and to be honest I think I'd have more fun shaving my chest with an electric sander.

"I'm not trying to convert you into a PS3 fanboy..."
Could have fooled me. Why do you insist on taking this topic down the crapper with you. Most of us strongly believe in the facts we were given. You're not going to form a little anti-360 rebellion in these forums so, please, stop with the naysaying.

"I could care less what you think."
Then why do make such a big deal over it?

"You've all told me many times the samethings, which I never really argued with."
Never argued with? Is that some kind of joke? All I've seen from you is arguing about how the 360 sucks at this, sucks at that.

"Quit being so narrowminded. You, my friend, are being a fanboy."
I can't write a comment on this without laughing at the hypocrisy. No comment.

I'm done here, regardless of the inevitable and pointless reply you're going to make. Have fun with your PS3 shaun. I'm tired of the bickering.

G4everX · 21-09-2005, 03:13 PM

This thread is halarious!

Summery

-Shaun want to be right, or he wouldn't have come back.
-Fanboys Suck
-Xbox 360 and PS3 are both good machines.

Happy?

pApA SmerF01 · 21-09-2005, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond

Wow, so defencive. I seem to have hurt your feelings.

Now lets break some things down...

"My apologies that you can't read."
Neither can you, obviously. I stated I don't want to read your posts because it was tiring, and to be honest I think I'd have more fun shaving my chest with an electric sander.

If you don't read the posts, you don't have room to talk.
"I'm not trying to convert you into a PS3 fanboy..."
Could have fooled me. Why do you insist on taking this topic down the crapper with you. Most of us strongly believe in the facts we were given. You're not going to form a little anti-360 rebellion in these forums so, please, stop with the naysaying.

He's not pulling an anti-360 rebellion in the forums, he's just trying to share his opinion and he's felt bastarized by the fellow members on here about it!
"I could care less what you think."
Then why do make such a big deal over it?

Because it's image. It's not about what you say or think, it's how you put it out that make people care.
"You've all told me many times the samethings, which I never really argued with."
Never argued with? Is that some kind of joke? All I've seen from you is arguing about how the 360 sucks at this, sucks at that.

Has he stated that the 360 sucks? NO. He's posted his opinion on the 360 advantages. You're taking his words the wrong way!
"Quit being so narrowminded. You, my friend, are being a fanboy."
I can't write a comment on this without laughing at the hypocrisy. No comment.

He actually isn't a fanboy and some of the things that people (you yourself included) have been posting in this thread is fanboy-ish.
I'm done here, regardless of the inevitable and pointless reply you're going to make. Have fun with your PS3 shaun. I'm tired of the bickering.

Look, if you guys don't calm down this heated discussion and get back onto the topic, I'm closing this thread. FINAL WARNING.

Diamond · 21-09-2005, 03:56 PM

Some of us are just a bit tired of an arguement that goes in circles, sorry.

So how about that bandwidth on the Xbox 360 guys? It's pretty sweet I hear

daniel.isaac.h · 21-09-2005, 07:15 PM

Heyy Shaun, I hope you didn't think I was aiming my sarcasm at you alone. Like you, I'm just fed up with people saying that either of the systems are better than the other.

In actuality, what it has become is not a comparison of the systems but of people.

I'm not dumb, I know you aren't.

Try avoiding this,

"This has gone far beyond smart conversation, and quite frankly (as was stated two or three posts now), this is a PS3 bashing forum, and as such I won't be able to have an unbiased or even dually educated conversation."

Like I previously posted "I am going to buy both systems"

I apologize for my comment about "When did you last build a computer?"
That was rude and I'm sorry shaun.

"One, Daniel; Granted, this is an XBox360 forum, however your statements prove to me that you in fact have not done much research, or that if you have, you fail to see things on a level plane. Your sarcasm wasn't appreciated, nor did it really prove anything. So thanks for your response."

I've done my research... I've also quoted my sources.

Sarcasm? Well I'm sorry... That came after the Nintendo ***-Boy comment. That brought your argument from thought-related, to emotional.

"Two, Daniel; About system bandwidth, I understand the benefit of SYSTEM bandwidth, but the bandwidth being spoken about here is actually, to be specific, the speed at which the GPU communicates with the eDRAM on the SAME DIE. If it were any slower I'd have to seriously doubt it. If any of you paid attention to my article, you'll note that I praised this technology, as it severely closes the gap between RSX and itself. I simply stated that one powerful component does not a great system make, and stating the system bandwidth as 10x that of the PS3 is false, and misinformed. Do your homework before you try to make me look stupid."

I'm looking back and I can not see anywhere where I posted that the Bandwidth will be "10x faster". I didn't write the article at IGN.com. I know M$ did, I just thought it was a "interesting read". I'm sorry if it seemed I was trying to "make you look stupid". I did do my homework.

We both are in the same industry...
We both have our sources...
We both prefer one system over the other but will own both...
We both have a good understanding of both systems...

We ALL should be able to get along!

I agree with Papa Smerf...

This blog has become more of a judgement of people not the systems.

I think everyone agrees with me on that...

daniel.isaac.h · 21-09-2005, 07:17 PM

Oh, and when I said, "I think everyone agrees with me" I meant with my comment about the judgement of people not the consoles.

Just for the record.

shaun · 21-09-2005, 07:17 PM

lol, can't we all just be friends? hahaha. btw i was talking about the ign article. and since we're all trying to make nice now, sorry about the nintendo ***boy comment

I'll have you know, i'm laughing sitting here. This has gone way too far.

Sorry for everyone I've offended (except Diamond), You guys are cool people. I enjoy this forum.

Oh, and to the guy up there who tried to summarize the thread.. g4ex or something:
1. I came back because the moderator stepped in and confirmed my beliefs.
2. The conversation grew up.
3. Yes, fanboys suck, we agree here.
4. Both are good systems, and most of us will own both.
5. I don't care if I'm right. I'm right in my mind just like you're right in yours. Right is relative.

Grindstone · 21-09-2005, 07:30 PM

Awe, group hug! C'mon, group hug everybody. There, everyone feel better? No one has any underlying issues to expel anymore?

Good. Though I think smerf01 has merit with his statements, I think locking this thread may be a little over-the-top, as there is some noteworthy information posted in this thread. Maybe we'll just edit some crap out. But, we should remind ourselves that this is just a topic on bandwidth, and not flagrant insults towards our mothers. Ergo, there is no need to get emotional over gaming console hardware. Really, it'll be old news soon anyway.

Now then about system bandwidth...

daniel.isaac.h · 21-09-2005, 07:34 PM

Yay! Group hug! Lol. Good to know everything's cool wit everyone.

Diamond · 21-09-2005, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaun

lol, can't we all just be friends? hahaha. btw i was talking about the ign article. and since we're all trying to make nice now, sorry about the nintendo ***boy comment

I'll have you know, i'm laughing sitting here. This has gone way too far.

Sorry for everyone I've offended (except Diamond), You guys are cool people. I enjoy this forum.

Oh, and to the guy up there who tried to summarize the thread.. g4ex or something:
1. I came back because the moderator stepped in and confirmed my beliefs.
2. The conversation grew up.
3. Yes, fanboys suck, we agree here.
4. Both are good systems, and most of us will own both.
5. I don't care if I'm right. I'm right in my mind just like you're right in yours. Right is relative.

LMAO. I really did hurt your feelings

I'm sorry for hurting your feelings, shaun. I whole-heartedly apologize. I mean it too, I'm not sarcastic here. I didn't realize I could bring out the worst in you. Sorry man. For real.

Now like Grindstone said, lets get back to bandwidth

I found this article on the 360 vs PS3 hardware with a chart comparison sheet. I'm not sure how entirely acurate it is, seems to lack something. however, it seems to show the majority of the specs which seem mostly acurate to me. Check it out!

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x

What do you guys think? Looks to me like they're both going to be the about same in the beginning. I guess in the long run we'll really see how the systems can handle the games to come as the bandwidth demand for games increases.

What would be nice is to get a report from the developers and see exactly how much bandwidth their games use and where it's used. I'm sure that's probably 'classified' from the public though.

shaun · 21-09-2005, 11:33 PM

Okay, I apologize. And you didn't hurt my feelings. This is the internet, man. I just simply decide through talking to people who I like and I don't like. Just like you do, I'm sure.

For a period of time there, I didn't like you. But I'm over it. I just had the ****tiest food ever at Denny's and now I think I hate it more than you, so you're off the hook. Glad we're all on the same page.

Firstly (thirdly), You're right, Diamond. The launch games are going to kick ***. Third or fourth iteration, people will fully learn and utilize the systems to their potentials... We all know both systems are going to sell out, and contrary to people's beliefs, I still don't really care who agrees with me.

As for Bandwidth, my partner on PixelEFX is writing a very very informative article about system bandwidth, probably one of the most in depth ones I've read so far. It's in the finishing stages, we're going to go ahead and post it hopefully by the weekend, but I don't want to speak for him.

As usual, we're going to post a link to this site in the article, considering this conversation (thread) has riled up so much in all of us

Expect to see something within the next week.

Btw, mods, if you don't want me posting links to my site on here let me know, I just don't know where else to post links to my articles. I want a new title. I'm not a newbie damn you

Thanks

Diamond · 21-09-2005, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaun

Okay, I apologize. And you didn't hurt my feelings. This is the internet, man. I just simply decide through talking to people who I like and I don't like. Just like you do, I'm sure.

For a period of time there, I didn't like you. But I'm over it. I just had the ****tiest food ever at Denny's and now I think I hate it more than you, so you're off the hook. Glad we're all on the same page.

Firstly (thirdly), You're right, Diamond. The launch games are going to kick ***. Third or fourth iteration, people will fully learn and utilize the systems to their potentials... We all know both systems are going to sell out, and contrary to people's beliefs, I still don't really care who agrees with me.

As for Bandwidth, my partner on PixelEFX is writing a very very informative article about system bandwidth, probably one of the most in depth ones I've read so far. It's in the finishing stages, we're going to go ahead and post it hopefully by the weekend, but I don't want to speak for him.

As usual, we're going to post a link to this site in the article, considering this conversation (thread) has riled up so much in all of us

Expect to see something within the next week.

Btw, mods, if you don't want me posting links to my site on here let me know, I just don't know where else to post links to my articles. I want a new title. I'm not a newbie damn you

Thanks

Yeah, don't forget. It's not the hardware that determines the outcome, it's the developer. If the developer makes a game that looks like crap, the hardware isn't going to make it look any better. IF the developers can fully make use of the bandwidth I think we'll see some amazing games. If by the time the developers only begin to tap that potential and the "next" generation of consoles come around I'm going to be really disappointed.

I still think the Xbox has another good 2 years to it. I would have still bought tons of games... It's alright though. I understand how MS wants to take the lead this time and I guess they were ready for it. They seem to be all set and I actually agree with their desicion to stick with DVD's. They're cheaper and have plenty of room. If some of the next gen games are too big, give us a second disc. I put up with that with Final Fantasy games back in the day so I don't see why it makes a big deal, if it means saving a lot of money.

But yeah, all I'm gonna say is, I really hope the developers really push the limits and use the bandwidth for all it's worth. I'm afraid I'm going to be very disappointed if the "next" gen after that is rushed.

BTW I'd like to read that article.

pApA SmerF01 · 22-09-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaun

Okay, I apologize. And you didn't hurt my feelings. This is the internet, man. I just simply decide through talking to people who I like and I don't like. Just like you do, I'm sure.

For a period of time there, I didn't like you. But I'm over it. I just had the ****tiest food ever at Denny's and now I think I hate it more than you, so you're off the hook. Glad we're all on the same page.

Firstly (thirdly), You're right, Diamond. The launch games are going to kick ***. Third or fourth iteration, people will fully learn and utilize the systems to their potentials... We all know both systems are going to sell out, and contrary to people's beliefs, I still don't really care who agrees with me.

As for Bandwidth, my partner on PixelEFX is writing a very very informative article about system bandwidth, probably one of the most in depth ones I've read so far. It's in the finishing stages, we're going to go ahead and post it hopefully by the weekend, but I don't want to speak for him.

As usual, we're going to post a link to this site in the article, considering this conversation (thread) has riled up so much in all of us

Expect to see something within the next week.

Btw, mods, if you don't want me posting links to my site on here let me know, I just don't know where else to post links to my articles. I want a new title. I'm not a newbie damn you

Thanks

As long as it's informative and helps this discussion along, I don't see the problem with a little linkage, Shaun.

I personally can't wait to read your partner's take on the bandwidth issue for each system, as I'm trying to get one of my dev. friends to sit down with me and talk about it.

Also, 30 posts, Shaun, 30 posts.

Grindstone · 22-09-2005, 04:10 PM

I.e., 30 posts and the "Newbie" title blooms into "Member", after 100 you become a "Pro". After that you...uh... just make something cool up and pride yourself on it.

Post whatever links you have, as long as they relate to the topic.

Diamond · 22-09-2005, 04:13 PM

You should make up some funny titles for those who manage 500+ 1000+ 2000+ and so on. It would be funny seeing stuff like...

Forum Addict
No Lifer
Fanatic
Unemployed

Uhh, oh yeah, and about that topic. Yeah! Go bandwidth! Wooooo!

pApA SmerF01 · 22-09-2005, 04:46 PM